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Offline JBirchy

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Re: Do I change or not (again)
« Reply #20 on: 17 July 2015, 12:03 »
Personally, in direct answer to your questions:


2. Go for a GTI. I did a 300 mile motorway trip yesterday and averaged 44.8mpg in mine. Knocking about I see 36-38mpg regularly. When giving it a punt I see 25-27mpg. I do 20k per year and still don't really see a big benefit with diesel. The petrol engine is wonderful too as I'm sure you're very aware of!


The mpg is all relative. I'm guessing you were doing no more than dot-on 70mph on the motorway (possibly less) to get 44.8mpg on the motorway run.



Nope, Cruise set at 80mph but traffic was fairly heavy in parts. Couldn't tell you what the average speed would have been but spent a fair bit of time in a 50mph average camera section.

You are right though, if I were sat at 80mph the whole way, I normally see around 39-41mpg.
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Re: Do I change or not (again)
« Reply #21 on: 17 July 2015, 13:54 »
Another vote for keeping your GTD and buy an extra years warranty for peace of mind. Then see what the Mk 8 GTI/GTD/R looks like. That's what I'm doing.
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Offline Cossieian

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Re: Do I change or not (again)
« Reply #22 on: 17 July 2015, 14:20 »
Use it to go towards your mortgage if you still have one. It will be much more beneficial in the long run.

Far too sensible for me Dubber  :laugh: and its the long run I have problems with  :grin:

I know its good advice but probably because you don't actually see or feel any benefit other than when your mortgage is paid off earlier. I'd rather have a new experience now. Who knows what's round the corner. Aged 46 I've seen too many folk roundabout my age die. As long as I can afford both, thats the main thing for me.

Exactly my feelings dude, live for today not for tomorrow :smiley:
If you have a notion of changing then change, don't even think about it, life's to short fella :cool:
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Re: Do I change or not (again)
« Reply #23 on: 17 July 2015, 14:59 »

Exactly my feelings dude, live for today not for tomorrow :smiley:
If you have a notion of changing then change, don't even think about it, life's to short fella :cool:

Wise words! It's my Dad's cousin's 50th tomorrow, so we'll be out on the lash from around 2pm. At 50 years old he's already outlived both his parents, you don't know what's around the corner. My Grandad was a colossal skin-flint and even as a humble joiner, he managed to have £240k in the bank when he died. He lived like a pauper through his own doing - you can't take it with you!
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Re: Do I change or not (again)
« Reply #24 on: 17 July 2015, 15:11 »


1. Would you change just because the car would be 3 years old and out of warranty ?

2. GTD or GTI for doing about 8k miles per year

3. MIB II 6.5" Standard Nav or Still the 8" Pro unit.

My one and only post on this subject, in this thread:

1. No, I'd not change it solely for that reason but it's often a reason I use myself! In modern cars the electronics rule the roost, the manufacturing tolerances on the mechanical parts are probably way way better than they were 20 years ago but with current emissions regulations there are just so many parts that are begging to go wrong. Add in the tech that goes out of date not long after the car is registered and factor in the general oversupply of new cars and easy finance deals and you have one hell of a dilemma on your hands. Just face up to the fact your mind has been made up a little while now Mr N and there's only one thing you're going to do now...

So, on to

2. As I've probably bored everyone with many times over, on different days you will wish you had a different version of Golf. Some days a GTI is perfect and on other days a GTD would be better and once in a while an R trumps them both so long as you are prepared to work for it. The GTI is a bit more responsive than an R below 4000 rpm but after that the R gets into its stride. The R however does have a slightly different character programmed into the electrics that makes it want to shoot off towards the horizon. The GTD is a lazy lugger and with a tuning box, just like MH says, it would trump the lot of them at normal (safe) road speeds with the only drawback being traction from a standing start or a touch or wheelspin when nailing it out of a roundabout with a big grin on your face.
At the end of the day a Golf is still a Golf and no matter which version you buy it will still feel like a Golf. You can load up an R to £41k and it still feels like a Golf.
For me there are many arguments but none are right and it depends on your perception of money.
Get a DSG R and load it up then you will have a very expensive Golf with lots of toys which will be very satisfying to own for a while (until all the tech goes out of date) & make a very attractive private sale many years down the line with any luck, but won't hold its overall value very well in the grand scheme of things - however if you can afford the thick end of £40k to spend on a shopping car then you won't miss the ££££ that much.
Get a low spec R and you're buying into the 'value for money for a 300bhp car' territory. You're buying it for what it offers as a performance model, something someone like me who has run Golfs on and off for 20 odd years could only ever have dreamed of once. I do about 5k PA in my Golf most years and after 5 weeks with my R I don't miss any of the extras I had in my GTI one bit. It's a drivers car. The only downsides are that it is a lot worse on fuel than the GTI and the ride is much harder.
A GTI PP is the best allrounder for me, it runs on 95 RON and does decent MPG if you granny it and will show decent fuel savings over an R even on 8k miles PA.
19" tyres are pretty expensive so why not look at aftermarket 18's and keep the Austins for part ex time, plus the Santiagos are a nightmare to clean and is why I didn't order them for my GTI (ignoring the fact I had a set of 19's in the garage).
How much of your 8k PA do you spend sat in your car playing with all the gadgets? From history I'd say you're a bit of a gadget man (self confessed) so you'd probably not be happy unless you had the Tech pack.
Personally if I was ordering a GTI now the only thing I'd add would be park assist, I think aside from that it comes with a pretty comprehensive spec as standard and to minimise depreciation I'd minimise extras. I'd then add aftermarket wheels. But that's me and not you!
Another GTD? Probably a bit pointless looking at the big spec of your current one and its reliability record. Add a DTUK box and see what tempts you in 12 months time would be the 'sensible' option, but I think you've already moved past that mark.

3. How much time do you spend messing about with music and fiddling with the radio unit? For me it's a minimal amount. When I'm driving I'll either be chatting or have the radio on in the background whilst watching the road. In a traffic jam the radio is turned up a bit maybe, I don't generally use much imported music off CD or SD or phone nowadays as I just don't have time to upload music.
And when I'm parked up I generally have the radio on as I tend to listen to a lot of radio (it's a human company thing maybe? I like the chatter in between tracks depending on who's the DJ!) or I sit and chat on my phone with VW mates or play agony aunt to the women at work  :roll eyes:
So I can't really give any opinion on no.3 as I just don't use the headunit to its full capacity.
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Re: Do I change or not (again)
« Reply #25 on: 17 July 2015, 16:05 »
very nice post Exonian.

TBH, I'm getting more and more of the opinion of keeping the GTD until the MK8 appears and this time not being a first time adopter, and giving it some time to mature slightly.

I will look into getting an extended warranty if I keep the GTD (will this have to be aftermarket - for instance Warranty direct, or can you buy it from VW even this late in the day ?)

You are spot on with two point Exonian. Being a technical manager for a global engineering company, I do like tech, and am a self confessed tech head, however your second point is even more sobering. One of the reasons in changing would be to get some of the latest MIB tech (Car play, MirrorLink etc.), but as you say, tech does out of date so quick these days, that chasing the latest and greatest in electronic wizardry is a fools game (and I think I'm just coming to realise that).

The big plusses for keeping the existing car a little longer is a) My car it seems is very well built, has been very reliable and is a decent enough spec to keep me happy for a good while. Like you say Exonian, after a few months once the novelty has worn off, do you really need the new tech. Secondly or b) Not having to go though the painful exercise of negotiating with VW again then waiting an endless amount of time whist they cock everything up !

I'll speak to SHMBO tonight and get her thoughts (though as a bank manager, I'm pretty sure I'll know what her reaction will be)  :grin:

In any case thanks all. There were some really interesting points made both for and against and I for one have found this most interesting (as I always do on here). Let's close this discussion here. I'm keep you posted as to the ultimate decision.
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Offline AndyG

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Re: Do I change or not (again)
« Reply #26 on: 17 July 2015, 16:38 »
Once your 3 year VW warranty is near end,VW will contact you to give you the option to extend it.
I think I paid £300 with the mk6 just over a year ago.
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Re: Do I change or not (again)
« Reply #27 on: 17 July 2015, 18:24 »
Intriguing read to see what peoples' thoughts are. Whilst you have had a good run mechanically, if I was in your position I would Defo change considering I have 4 (if I remember correctly) warranty issues. Xenon light went, light software issue, the suspension issues a lot experienced when first released and now the Brake Servo is being released just off that alone I am looking to or will look to change. like I say that is wholly personal to me and the car. R GTI PP or Clubsport who knows but that email re deposit contributions have heightened my desire to switch.
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Re: Do I change or not (again)
« Reply #28 on: 18 July 2015, 10:59 »
Sootchucker if you pay for postage you can borrow my DTUK tuning box for two weeks of you like as I'm away from the end of this month, might sway you more into keeping the GTD and just buying a box.

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Re: Do I change or not (again)
« Reply #29 on: 18 July 2015, 14:26 »
Sootchucker if you pay for postage you can borrow my DTUK tuning box for two weeks of you like as I'm away from the end of this month, might sway you more into keeping the GTD and just buying a box.

That's a great offer Sootchucker! Take him up on it and post the results. It would be an interesting experiment. Go on.. You love stats and detail :wink:
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