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mjh_056

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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #170 on: 08 July 2015, 10:58 »
Hello from Bankless Greece, rapidly becoming a Hell on Earth.

Getting things in perspective, all our car issues are very first world minor problems and of no significant consequence in the grand scheme of things. DSG or Manual, DCC or not, 18" or 19" Wheels, 5.8" or 6.5" or 8" Sat Navs or not, Bridgestone tyre changes, Diesel or Petrol, mpg levels, FWD or 4WD, Leather or Cloth, Red or White or Blue or Black, etc. One has to smile.

The problems here in Greece have brought me down to earth with a huge bang and are really grounding. Things get worse on an hourly basis. It is not nice at all and is now quite stressful.

Our first world problems are so much easier to solve and much more 'fun'. Quite boring (relatively) UK with no real serious problems has much in its favour and I appreciate it hugely. I miss it a bit, even with the really bad food quality, excessive prices, morose people and the lousy and changeable weather, because it is safe.

Carry on!

Hello from dull but remarkably sunny UK,

I imagine witnessing and experiencing the events of the last few days in Greece, first hand, really have put things very much into perspective!  We all get hung up on the mundanities, trivialities and minutiae of our lives until something bigger comes along to shake us from our reverie.  It's the way life is!  And for the most part we should be grateful that we can do just that, including deliberating over the relatively insignificant finer points of cars details of cars  tyre grip, mpg performance, DSG v manual etc, etc.  A good thing to stop every now and then and appreciate that we have that luxury and remember that many others don't.

Now!  DSG or manual??  Discuss  :grin:

Was using the paddles 50% at start that is now down to 10-15%.

The DSG is just too damn good in day to day driving in combination with the auto hold and absolutely no way would go back to manual unless had to.

Think its testament to how good the transmission is as its seamless, with no delays or jolts.

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« Reply #171 on: 08 July 2015, 11:10 »
Now!  DSG or manual??  Discuss  :grin:

Was using the paddles 50% at start that is now down to 10-15%.

The DSG is just too damn good in day to day driving in combination with the auto hold and absolutely no way would go back to manual unless had to.

Think its testament to how good the transmission is as its seamless, with no delays or jolts.

I found this when with my first DSG GTI (a MK5).  Used the paddles a lot at first and after a while I became lazy and complacent just because it was so good.  But when I got my current DSG I decided to really mix it up and make much more use of the paddles.  I'm glad I did - I'd forgotten how much fun paddles can be and now I probably use it 60 auto/40 paddles split.  I tend to use the paddles most when I'm on my own with no passengers to complain about the 'flinging around'  :laugh:       
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mjh_056

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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #172 on: 08 July 2015, 11:18 »
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Why a Standard S3 but a DSG R?
Reason I ask is I'd agree that of all the models in the range the DSG possibly suits the R engine the best but if you're prepared to compromise the DSG on the S3 then I'd suggest having a go in a manual R.
With a DSG it's just *snick* *snick* *snick* with the changes and you loose that lovely turbo spool you get with a manual where you can feel the torque build that is soooooo satisfying when you see an overtaking opportunity and want to gradually build up for the move before blasting past using all the revs. With a DSG all you get is *snick* and a "Blaaaaaaaaaart!"

On a more serious note, what sort of miles do you do?
I'm probably the worst person to give any feedback for your choices as I don't get a company car allowance so tend to buy with different criteria in mind and I also run an old banger to take the knocks and do the dump trips that I'd just not want to do in my newer car. The way I look upon it is I work rubbish hours in a not particularly well paid job, but I enjoy my job and work with a great bunch of people (in general) so am not looking for a high flying career and being a billy no mates. The way I think of it is if I had a proper hobby it'd cost money and I'd still need a car anyway so I just combine the two and bankrupt myself every few years...  :laugh:

Of your options I'm not sure what I'd go for. Depending on how itchy my feet were for a new car too.
The option of keeping the GTD and buying a mk6 GTI is a non starter for me. The mk7 GTD is a great car and can do all a mk6 GTI can do. Having owned two mk6 GTIs and spent a lot of miles in a mk6 GTD or three I can honestly say the GTD is the better day to day car in mk6 guise unless you modify the engine. Then I'd still pick the GTD and modify that engine. So basically, bearing in mind what you already have, I'd keep my mk7 GTD and modify that engine giving it a whole new lease of life. Especially with a DSG with good spec like yours - the manual GTD can run out of revs a bit quickly when modified but the DSG can just *snick* into the next gear very quickly in Sport mode on the days you have horns growing out of your head.

Have a good drive or two in both manual and DSG R's. I my short tenure so far I must admit I do get a bit of a wicked grin on my face when I practice the above mentioned turbo spool as I know what lurks beneath my right foot. I can't (or at least won't as I'm running it in) use 300PS very often but I sure know it's there and the car reminds me as it's pretty eager to go chasing after the hare all the time.

However the mk7 GTI is a pretty amazing car in PP spec. The brakes are great and it feels a lot more light footed than the R. With the 6.5" nav it comes with a pretty comprehensive spec too so if you can get one at a good price then it might be worth going with the tech pack if you can't live without your 8"er or just spending a bit on the 19" alloys being as you want DCC anyway. The GTI is pretty cheap to run as it's better than the R on fuel and runs on 95RON.

They're all pretty great cars for what they are and on different days you'd wish you were in a different model.

I am a bit of a DSG convert, never had before and love it for the day to day driving as it makes it effortless but you make good points on that maybe you get the best experience of an R in manual?! so you added another dilemma as if the DSG in some way replicates my GTD day to day experience mostly then is it worth the jump to an R?

Did mean an S3 in auto too by way, just no other added toys.

My mileage was to be 15-18k a year hence the GTD but is down to about 10k at moment due to role change. Nature of beast as roles do change and locations have to get to change to. At 10k would definitely gone GTI.

Can see what say on MK6 and hence down my list of choices it just the example that saw was a beauty to look at.

Keeping GTD is only an option really if the price they offer it to me is really competitive.

Company car is great and I do get a decent package to choose from but redundancies do happen know of some this year at my place so its good to know that could just hand car back and not be sitting on heavy repayments and that is main reason not taken the ££ and bought/leased privately.

Company car is not all freebie by the way you do get the BIK tax and depending on what go for it can be quite sizeable.

As said previously, the 4WD is a draw too as it is really what stops the GTD being the complete car when it scrambles away in the wet

The only thing really certain of this time is must test drive an R in manual and DSG. Think know what get with GTI and be happy to just select that but R has too many unknowns that can only make judgement on by taking out.

Fortunately the lease company can arrange weekend test drives so be sorting that moment can.

Choices still are

R
S3
GTI
GTD
Another GTD

Or buy my present GTD

If pushed me today for decision heart would rule head and it would be an R





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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #173 on: 08 July 2015, 11:25 »
Shame they not produced a GTD-R with the 4WD

Give it time  :whistle:

With the BiTurbo and 4WD comes extra thirst. You might pick an R over a GTD to scratch an itch (like I did) and pay the fuel penalty, but if someone offered me a 240PS GTD with 4WD that was good for a real 40mpg, losing 60ps and only saving £500 a year in fuel over a regular R might not be a hugely convincing argument to get a GTD R. Make that 270PS and a decent torque advantage over the petrol R then I might be convinced enough to go for one. Even with all that rationale in mind, I bet a 240PS GTD R will sell.

Just got in from work and stretched the R's legs tonight leaving work a little later and missing the Doxford Park traffic. It really felt looser today, like it held it's speed better with your foot off the accelerator, and felt a bit more responsive mid-gear acceleration (or maybe i'm just dropping that extra gear?).

That feeling 'looser' resonated as my GTD is far more responsive now got some miles on it and sure that applies across the ranges. Not just a feeling its definitely more responsive and seamless.

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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #174 on: 08 July 2015, 11:35 »
Now!  DSG or manual??  Discuss  :grin:

Was using the paddles 50% at start that is now down to 10-15%.

The DSG is just too damn good in day to day driving in combination with the auto hold and absolutely no way would go back to manual unless had to.

Think its testament to how good the transmission is as its seamless, with no delays or jolts.

I found this when with my first DSG GTI (a MK5).  Used the paddles a lot at first and after a while I became lazy and complacent just because it was so good.  But when I got my current DSG I decided to really mix it up and make much more use of the paddles.  I'm glad I did - I'd forgotten how much fun paddles can be and now I probably use it 60 auto/40 paddles split.  I tend to use the paddles most when I'm on my own with no passengers to complain about the 'flinging around'  :laugh:       

That 15% is times tend to have a little fun but do tend to have passengers quite a bit and that's where DSG in auto is a beauty as makes driving so effortless.

Looking at R next time but will see if manual makes a difference to experience, though if did go DSG would likely look to use paddles more in an R.

Have a track day soon driving a Lamborghini Gallardo and Ferrari 360 so will be practicing my paddles more then :)

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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #175 on: 08 July 2015, 11:57 »
Have a track day soon driving a Lamborghini Gallardo and Ferrari 360 so will be practicing my paddles more then :)

The playstation miniscule Golf flappy paddles are going to feel pretty lacking after those!

Enjoy  :smiley:
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« Reply #176 on: 08 July 2015, 14:21 »
I think you're doomed to DSG now mjh! Sounds like you're a full convert already. Skip the manual test drive!


Maybe I'll go DSG when I get my beige Skoda Rapid (next car). 1.2 TSI or 1.6 TDI?
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« Reply #177 on: 08 July 2015, 14:43 »


Forget video games!  Old Skool is the original Star Wars movie which I expect you are far too young to remember.  I have very fond memories of seeing it when it was first released at the pics, as it was my first ever date with a boy.  Loved Star Wars ever since  :cool:

You had dates at toddler group? Wow! Early starter!




Manual = Greek Economy, desperately clunking away!
DSG = Slick German Economy, but with an injection of fun!

Manual = Greek Economy, anarchic and unpredictable but has spirit
DSG = Slick German Economy, efficient but soulless

Asker, here's hoping you're not too busy rioting and looting.
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« Reply #178 on: 08 July 2015, 14:56 »


Forget video games!  Old Skool is the original Star Wars movie which I expect you are far too young to remember.  I have very fond memories of seeing it when it was first released at the pics, as it was my first ever date with a boy.  Loved Star Wars ever since  :cool:

You had dates at toddler group? Wow! Early starter!

Well not quite toddler!  I was 10 (yep I'm very old).  I think I told my parents there was "a whole group of us" going to see the film when it was actually just me and a boy called Paul. I doubt they would have agreed to that!
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« Reply #179 on: 08 July 2015, 15:07 »
Maybe I'll go DSG when I get my beige Skoda Rapid (next car). 1.2 TSI or 1.6 TDI?

I think you should, because the manual gear knob is absolutely massive on the, very inappropriately entitled, Rapid, in order to accomodate the extra large print lettering necessary for it target clientele  :tongue:

1.2? Whoa! Steady on Mr Ex!!!
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