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Offline monkeyhanger

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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #140 on: 05 July 2015, 21:06 »
Whilst not that important with a performance car it is nice to know that decent mpg can be achieved when in the mood.
My GTI has been doing 45mpg on the way to work (18 mile journey - 50/60 mph all the way) and about 34mpg on the way home due to traffic and not hanging about, giving an overall of 38mpg for the last month and that's with a tuning box - not bad for 280bhp.

Is that actual (brim method) mpg, or indicated mpg? The tuning box makes the car over read, the car is using more fuel than it thinks it is at any given throttle opening. My stock GTD's MFD over read mpg by about 3%, but with the DTUK box on 3+1, it was more like 9%. The TDITuning box over read by 16% on its top setting. I'm sure if I slapped a DTUK box on my R, the MFD would have my 33mpg commute showing at 36mpg.
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #141 on: 05 July 2015, 21:10 »
MH - have you ever considered shutting off the mpg info just for a while, just for the sheer hell of it   :tongue:  :evil:  :laugh:

Sorry, the R is doing as well as i'd hoped it would for mpg, but it still hurts more paying out £100 a month extra in fuel rather than £100 a month more, quietly slipping out of the bank account on the car repayment. It's the GTD mentality that is slowly being forgotten.  :grin:
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #142 on: 05 July 2015, 21:19 »
MH - have you ever considered shutting off the mpg info just for a while, just for the sheer hell of it   :tongue:  :evil:  :laugh:

Sorry, the R is doing as well as i'd hoped it would for mpg, but it still hurts more paying out £100 a month extra in fuel rather than £100 a month more, quietly slipping out of the bank account on the car repayment. It's the GTD mentality that is slowly being forgotten.  :grin:

 :grin:  You can take the boy out of the GTD, but you can't take the GTD out of the boy  :grin:  Well not overnight anyway  :smiley:

EDIT:  I just realised how poorly worded my previous post was :embarrassed:  I jokingly meant about you just getting in your R and not looking at the mpg display for the hell of it.  Wasn't referring to you posting about mpg stats. Sorry!
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #143 on: 05 July 2015, 23:05 »
I would add as well - the silver mirrors looked really nice, wasn't a fan from pictures but the satin type finish works well.   Having black mirrors myself, I am naturally biased towards the black mirrors.

MPG...

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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #144 on: 05 July 2015, 23:35 »

I would add as well - the silver mirrors looked really nice, wasn't  fan from pictures but the finish works well.   Having black mirrors myself, I am naturally biased towards the blacks.

MPG...

I drove around in a large VW California Beach - when you've lived with that....

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Yeah, not sure if the silver mirrors and front lip are going to look a bit blingy.  Quite prepared to swap for some black mirror caps if they do but will wait to see if I like them in the flesh first. 
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #145 on: 06 July 2015, 06:37 »
No that's actual for a tank using one of the fuel apps, so I don't believe the indicated mpg is over reading by that much. feels about right based on each way plus other short journeys that make up my week.
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #146 on: 06 July 2015, 11:29 »
MH - have you ever considered shutting off the mpg info just for a while, just for the sheer hell of it   :tongue:  :evil:  :laugh:

Sorry, the R is doing as well as i'd hoped it would for mpg, but it still hurts more paying out £100 a month extra in fuel rather than £100 a month more, quietly slipping out of the bank account on the car repayment. It's the GTD mentality that is slowly being forgotten.  :grin:

This worries me as do genuinely love my GTD for its quality, style and ability to offer some fun with decent fuel economy and think my feelings might be the same when see more ££ coming out of my account to keep an R on the road.

Have to order my next vehicle by end of April 2016 latest so as much as still little time away am starting to ponder on what to choose.

Never driven an R but obviously have good experience of the car itself now and the many comments on here to R performance and 'fun' factor and so thinking was that the 300 BHP and 4WD would take my present experience to feeling pretty complete.

But definitely need to test drive now to see how much different the experience is in reality? Is it worth them extra ££ MH is mentioning above??

These are my options, and in order of thinking at moment.

R with DSG/DCC
S3 - Likely standard specification
GTI - DSG/DCC
GTD - DSG/DCC
Tiguan R - Only brief look, as wife keeps mentioning how nice one she saw was
Buy the present GTD off lease company depending on what price give me
Take my car allowance in cash and get MK6 GTI (know not as refined as MK7 etc. But saw a really stunning one in pure white at dealers recently at decent price and thought would be happy with that)

Not really considered BMW Honda or Mercedes but will do the garage wander anyway just in case something surprises me

Think got my GTD selection spot on last time around as MK7 were just coming out but think next vehicle choice is going to be a real dilemma of going all in and being damned to sensibility or putting that sensible head on and still ending up with a decent car and more ££ in bank.


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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #147 on: 06 July 2015, 18:41 »
Mjh_056: It's a different way of driving (vs a highish output diesel) if you want to feel like you're driving with 300ps under your right foot, milking the car right to the red line.

I doubt you'll 100% have your mind up after a test drive - you might not have the opportunity to open it right up with the salesperson sitting next to you, and you certainly won't feel the pinch in your pocket to fill up twice as often if you're used to a diesel.  :grin: It's a lot easier to be wowed on a test drive and not get a feeling of how it will be to live with every day. It is a great car, but so is a GTD with a DTUK box on.

I had a slightly less restrained drive home today, meaning that I drove like a bit of a b'stard. Tearing away from a stadstill at 2 traffic lights, shot past a Vauxhall Insignia BiTurbo. He did well to 75mph, i'm sure he just came in a lane to see how it would go beyond 75. I took it up to a ton as soon as he moved over and drifted straight back down to 80 (there was nothing ahead of me).

I suppose mpg aside, that's the difference between the GTD and the R is - the GTD has lots of ingear grunt and it feels fastest accelerating between 50 and 80mph. The R is blazingly quick from a standstill and feels as quick going 70-100 as the GTD does going 50-80. You have to push the R a lot harder to get that buzz, be prepared to knock the R down maybe 3 gears when you want to make the most of what it has when overtaking.

It is quite a buzz letting loose in the R, but for some, will it be worth an extra grand on their fuel bill?

When you look at the 2.0TDI BiTurbo Passat 4-motion (240ps) as the R's closest TDI stablemate (yes it's a little heavier, so not an absolute comparison), it's 53.3mpg combined figure is smack between the R and the GTD, so getting a TDI close to an R's performance will always cost you, as will the 4WD system. Knowing what my GTD did vs published figures, i'd likely get 40mpg out of that Passat in the Summer and 36mpg in the Winter. So the R has 20% more power and is only 17% thirstier - just shows how much progress has been made in TSI fuel economy. The way the R can drive so smoothly at the low end, imagine what it could be capable of with cylinder deactivation tech, it would probably match the TDI.

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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #148 on: 07 July 2015, 09:36 »
Mjh_056: It's a different way of driving (vs a highish output diesel) if you want to feel like you're driving with 300ps under your right foot, milking the car right to the red line.

I doubt you'll 100% have your mind up after a test drive - you might not have the opportunity to open it right up with the salesperson sitting next to you, and you certainly won't feel the pinch in your pocket to fill up twice as often if you're used to a diesel.  :grin: It's a lot easier to be wowed on a test drive and not get a feeling of how it will be to live with every day. It is a great car, but so is a GTD with a DTUK box on.

I had a slightly less restrained drive home today, meaning that I drove like a bit of a b'stard. Tearing away from a stadstill at 2 traffic lights, shot past a Vauxhall Insignia BiTurbo. He did well to 75mph, i'm sure he just came in a lane to see how it would go beyond 75. I took it up to a ton as soon as he moved over and drifted straight back down to 80 (there was nothing ahead of me).

I suppose mpg aside, that's the difference between the GTD and the R is - the GTD has lots of ingear grunt and it feels fastest accelerating between 50 and 80mph. The R is blazingly quick from a standstill and feels as quick going 70-100 as the GTD does going 50-80. You have to push the R a lot harder to get that buzz, be prepared to knock the R down maybe 3 gears when you want to make the most of what it has when overtaking.

It is quite a buzz letting loose in the R, but for some, will it be worth an extra grand on their fuel bill?

When you look at the 2.0TDI BiTurbo Passat 4-motion (240ps) as the R's closest TDI stablemate (yes it's a little heavier, so not an absolute comparison), it's 53.3mpg combined figure is smack between the R and the GTD, so getting a TDI close to an R's performance will always cost you, as will the 4WD system. Knowing what my GTD did vs published figures, i'd likely get 40mpg out of that Passat in the Summer and 36mpg in the Winter. So the R has 20% more power and is only 17% thirstier - just shows how much progress has been made in TSI fuel economy. The way the R can drive so smoothly at the low end, imagine what it could be capable of with cylinder deactivation tech, it would probably match the TDI.

The beauty of the GTD is that in town its so smooth in power delivery, so you effortlessly drive about, my previous 170BHP power delivery was nothing on the pedal, then go, far less refined but gave you a sense of the power in normal driving.

Its not a slouch off the line but you do have to put foot into it to get it up to speed.

The GTD as you say really comes into its own when on the move, if want to make a move, or lose someone there is a real surge that just propels you away

The 4WD is a draw though because as much as far better now replaced the Bridgestone's you still find yourself compensating your pull away to negate wheel spin and in winter it did really frustrate on the wetter days. Never had this in my Quattro at all but that is the only thing miss, the GTD is superior across the board otherwise.

However its that £1000 a year in additional fuel resonates though as something to really consider?

Shame they not produced a GTD-R with the 4WD

As stand now, the R is still just shading it as its different and for the reasons you state in being blazingly quick off the line, but decision is a lot closer than thought would be, and think that's testament to the GTD really as though you know it compromises on levels GTI and R can give when they pushed it still does everything so very well and far cheaper.

Will obviously keep reading the forum and especially R owners to see if long term satisfaction remains for everyone especially those who switched models to give most informed comparison of whether was worth it.

Thanks for response MH :)


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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #149 on: 07 July 2015, 13:29 »
Shame they not produced a GTD-R with the 4WD

Give it time  :whistle:
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