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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #120 on: 02 July 2015, 19:26 »
Matt:

You even managed to wrestle a cheap sandwich out of him? Greece needs someone like you to set the economy on the right path.

Anyway, you gave him good advice to get the 330d but you should have told him to get the xDrive as he'd crash the sDrive on those icy Danish roads. Perhaps you want him dead and take his job!

I have been to Copenhagen a number of times on work. Nice people, ridiculously expensive and the food is sh!t. The city is not much to write about either.
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #121 on: 02 July 2015, 19:51 »
@ Matron B, I might be imagining it but I think there are now more LED's on the cabin than there were on my 2013/14 model. The vanity mirror lights are now LED's according to one of my colleagues. I've not looked to be honest but the warning sticker on the passenger sun visor is also different and is even more garish and hideous

Good they splashed out a few extra euros on vanity LEDs, whatever will they chuck in next?  The sticker will be an assault on my senses at first but I suppose you get used to it.


Rebecca:
Ooh, Matron! Don't be gutted. I just could not ask you to indulge in unholy matrimony as I don't know you long or well enough. But I do love your bandaging skills.

Unholy matrimony!  No thanks, it's not for me.  Yes, you really should know someone first before you marry them. 23 years together with my man and no wedding bells, ringing turbos or well detailed confetti.  I don't know him well enough yet  :grin:


Rebecca:
Besides you don't yet belong to the R fraternity.

Is that a polite way of telling me to slink off back to the Mk6 section until I have my R and am worthy enough to be accepted into 'the hallowed R circle'.  :tongue:

He actually bought me a sandwich - joking that i'd probably just used 1/2 a gallon of fuel opening it up on the long route. He probably thinks he needs a pay rise and I need a pay cut as i'm driving that.  :grin:

The boss is a cheapskate!  After being treated to a blast in your R, he could have at least pushed the boat out and bought you a fancy Waitrose sandwich   :tongue: :laugh:
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #122 on: 03 July 2015, 05:57 »
Matt:

You even managed to wrestle a cheap sandwich out of him? Greece needs someone like you to set the economy on the right path.

Anyway, you gave him good advice to get the 330d but you should have told him to get the xDrive as he'd crash the sDrive on those icy Danish roads. Perhaps you want him dead and take his job!

I have been to Copenhagen a number of times on work. Nice people, ridiculously expensive and the food is sh!t. The city is not much to write about either.

He mentioned Xdrive as we'd seen a 330d Xdrive in the Tesco car park, saying that he couldn't have Xdrive as it would push him out of the CO2 band allowable for his company car. He said that due to the environmental tax (and being taxed heavily on everything else - 60% income tax for them!), you have to be rich to drive anything with more than 130g/CO2 out of your own pocket. The Danes are paid more twice as much as the UK workers doing the exact same job though.

The company is based in Holstebro, which I can imagine isn't any better than Copenhagen. I think I will be there in October for some training, so I will be able to see first hand.
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #123 on: 03 July 2015, 11:03 »
Matt:
You should advise him to get an AWD Passat which has a much nicer interior than the BMW, will meet his CO2 targets, be roomier and will be less likely to mount a roundabout! Or, maybe a GTD Hearse?
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #124 on: 05 July 2015, 10:34 »
Just in case anybody is still tuning in after xx pages of this thread:

I did a back to back drive of the R and a GTD yesterday which was quite interesting. Well, to me at least.

James75 (who you'd know from golfmk7.com if you use that forum) lives in the next village to me; I'd obviously told him about the car change once I'd picked the R up, and knew he'd be wanting to see the R ASAP as he's a great guy and really loves his cars (and T5 vans), particularly the tech.
James' car is an interesting comparison as his GTD is specced with lots of techie extras and is also a white five door.

Obviously I'd driven my GTI and the R back to back so it was interesting to hand the keys of the R to James and see what he thought. I think James was pretty impressed with the R and pretty much for the same reasons as me - it's pretty docile and very tractable at low speeds and then changes into something else altogether as the revs get higher up in the band.
There's no getting away from the fact that the GTD has the same torque peak as the R and at roughly similar RPM's where the torque plateau starts in both cars, with the R torque holding out longer but the GTD having higher gearing makes it an interesting comparison. The GTD gives a lazy V8 style slug of acceleration that's satisfying in its own way where as the R feels a bit like a greyhound in the stalls waiting to blast after the rabbit. I'd spent a good bit of time in GTD's previously and know how quick they can be at road speeds but driving them back to back the two cars' characters were very obvious in their differences.
And we won't mention the MPG difference at this point will we?  :whistle:

I think part of the attraction of the mk7 R is it was introduced a bit like the mk5 GTI which in itself became pretty iconic in that it was put on the market at xxxx price demonstrating the £££ per bhp value.
You buy the R for the performance for the price and keeping the spec sensible makes it pretty decent value for money. Start loading it with extras and you're looking at a £40k car. You can buy a lot better performance car than a Golf when you get to those sort of levels. But buy them people do.
James' car has lane assist and all the other assists and Pro Nav and it's list price was probably pretty similar to the vanilla R.
An interesting dilemma at that cost point: sensible GTD loaded with toys to assist the driver and useful things like the speed limit displayed in the MFD (along with lane warnings flashing up), plus the big 8" screen. Or a slightly raucous R and a road map?


In other news: I made a bit of a balls up yesterday.
On Thursday I fitted the spacers. The car looks lots better, it's surprising what a few mm can do and the Cadiz fill the arches well and the car now has some shoulders.
Yesterday I took the car for a gentle run out to settle the new bolts into the hubs then came home and re-torqued them. All good.
So I popped the wheel cap covers back on and went inside for a cuppa.
D'oh!
Just as I got to the front door the penny dropped.
The VW nuts have hollow ends so you can hook the covers off.
The aftermarket bolts don't have hollow ends.
I now have covers that won't come off the bolts as there's no room to hook them out and the nut covers fill the nut holes so well there's not room to lever them off either.  :rolleyes: :whistle:

Today's job is...
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #125 on: 05 July 2015, 11:53 »
If you damage the covers, they're only about 20p each in the dealers.
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #126 on: 05 July 2015, 12:11 »
Thanks Joe :afro:
I do have quite a collection of them though and will resort to using SEAT but caps that have a U shaped puller and are smaller.

I think my neighbours will have me certified soon suffering from an abnormal wheel obsession.
A few weeks ago I was swapping the wheels on the GTI back, then as soon as I had a couple hours the R was jacked up and the wheels came off and went straight back on but now poke out more. Then I was out re torquing them a couple days later, then I was out with the freshly washed nut caps.
Next day I'm out trying to get the caps off again and then as soon as I have chance the wheels will be removed again so I can clean the backs and seal them.
Do I need medical help?
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #127 on: 05 July 2015, 12:18 »
Another enlightening essay Mr Ex :cool:  Very interesting read especially your spacers faux pas, lol!

Certainly an R loaded with ALL the toys will be nudging £40k territory, which is madness for a shopping trolley Golf  :shocked:  I agree, you can buy a lot better performance for that price.  But (as you know), with good discount, it is possible to get a fairly well specced R with much less of a hit to the pocket.  I've got what I consider to be a reasonable set of options on mine (without going mad) but the discount of 12.5% made it a palatable proposition, coming down from £38k+ to sub £34k, so for that I get performance, practicality, and good design - all in one package.  We just won't mention the mpg  :laugh:
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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #128 on: 05 July 2015, 12:50 »
Just in case anybody is still tuning in after xx pages of this thread:

I did a back to back drive of the R and a GTD yesterday which was quite interesting. Well, to me at least.

James75 (who you'd know from golfmk7.com if you use that forum) lives in the next village to me; I'd obviously told him about the car change once I'd picked the R up, and knew he'd be wanting to see the R ASAP as he's a great guy and really loves his cars (and T5 vans), particularly the tech.
James' car is an interesting comparison as his GTD is specced with lots of techie extras and is also a white five door.

Obviously I'd driven my GTI and the R back to back so it was interesting to hand the keys of the R to James and see what he thought. I think James was pretty impressed with the R and pretty much for the same reasons as me - it's pretty docile and very tractable at low speeds and then changes into something else altogether as the revs get higher up in the band.
There's no getting away from the fact that the GTD has the same torque peak as the R and at roughly similar RPM's where the torque plateau starts in both cars, with the R torque holding out longer but the GTD having higher gearing makes it an interesting comparison. The GTD gives a lazy V8 style slug of acceleration that's satisfying in its own way where as the R feels a bit like a greyhound in the stalls waiting to blast after the rabbit. I'd spent a good bit of time in GTD's previously and know how quick they can be at road speeds but driving them back to back the two cars' characters were very obvious in their differences.
And we won't mention the MPG difference at this point will we?  :whistle:

I think part of the attraction of the mk7 R is it was introduced a bit like the mk5 GTI which in itself became pretty iconic in that it was put on the market at xxxx price demonstrating the £££ per bhp value.
You buy the R for the performance for the price and keeping the spec sensible makes it pretty decent value for money. Start loading it with extras and you're looking at a £40k car. You can buy a lot better performance car than a Golf when you get to those sort of levels. But buy them people do.
James' car has lane assist and all the other assists and Pro Nav and it's list price was probably pretty similar to the vanilla R.
An interesting dilemma at that cost point: sensible GTD loaded with toys to assist the driver and useful things like the speed limit displayed in the MFD (along with lane warnings flashing up), plus the big 8" screen. Or a slightly raucous R and a road map?


In other news: I made a bit of a balls up yesterday.
On Thursday I fitted the spacers. The car looks lots better, it's surprising what a few mm can do and the Cadiz fill the arches well and the car now has some shoulders.
Yesterday I took the car for a gentle run out to settle the new bolts into the hubs then came home and re-torqued them. All good.
So I popped the wheel cap covers back on and went inside for a cuppa.
D'oh!
Just as I got to the front door the penny dropped.
The VW nuts have hollow ends so you can hook the covers off.
The aftermarket bolts don't have hollow ends.
I now have covers that won't come off the bolts as there's no room to hook them out and the nut covers fill the nut holes so well there's not room to lever them off either.  :rolleyes: :whistle:

Today's job is...


Yes it was me, I drove the R...

Of course I loved it, who wouldn't?

Just getting to the cost aspect.  I managed to get a Lapiz Blue with a few options down to what I paid for my GTD via the ever interesting Drive the Deal.

With App Connect there's a valid argument that you can drop Sat Nav options and use an App although I have concerns that it isn't GPS and here in Devon, that could be a problem with signal strength.  I would be less concerned about options in an R then I would in a GTD, the R is about the performance and if you can get a good price then i'd be happy with that.

Nonetheless I had some options on the R and I had it at around the 29k mark, that's tempting, 300bhp for that kind of money?  You could argue that you should forget the options, it will be cheaper still. (https://www.drivethedeal.com/buy-a-new-car/VOLKSWAGEN/GOLF_HATCHBACK/2.0_TSI_R_5dr_63193.html?Capid=63193&type=discounted)

Around 28k....  The R is often portrayed as being expensive but seeing it like this, it looks like a bit of a bargain.  It would make me question the GTI although that's still a great car.

I didn't get the best deal on my GTD - that was my fault and partly down to complexities of trying to sell a VW California Beach, in reality I was probably about £1500 shy of a great deal but I am still completely bowled over by my GTD.  I did go option crazy to an extent, I was trying to avoid 'retrofit disease', I'd experienced this costly condition with my California and wanted a vehicle that was right for me from the off.  I also wanted to try and future proof it a bit in readiness for a facelift or spec changes.  But options are personal and they don't make the car suddenly better, just different :)   Some of my options I do really like such as Dynamic Light Assist where you can leave high beams on and it blocks part of the beam pattern as to not dazzle oncoming drivers, that's clever, useful and works well.  But options are options, I once had options described to me as taking a lot of money, going to the bottom of your garden and setting fire to it :)

So driving the R...

It's a short test drive, i can't give you a full review but there are some immediate differences between the R and GTD beyond the obvious power difference.

The R is far more tactile, the GTD is fast and it handles and steers fabulously but there is something about the R which feels less false or numb.  I am not doing the GTD down but the R feels like a performance car, the steering is just more immediate.  This probably won't come as a surprise but it is a much more involved experience.  Being a petrol car it also drives differently, you're up to 6th quite quickly.

The most interesting about R is perhaps not how well it goes fast but how well it goes slow.  It's completely calm driving round a town speeds, it almost unnerves, it's not shouty or angry, it's just a Golf.  You kind of fear it's going to creep up on you and surprise and sure, it's there, the eagerness is never far away, but this is a completely normal Golf to drive at town speeds.  Perhaps this is the genius of this gen of hyper Golf?  It's what they term these days as an 'everything car'.   

I did do a quick MPG test which is not particularly relevant but nonetheless on a stretch of road where from cold I can get the GTD up to around 45 - 50 mpg, it sat at around 32 - 35.   Not actually that bad, my old T5 California would have done the same.

I prefer the seats Exonian's - the 'basic' seats to me in the R look the best, I like the styling details, they work far better in the metal.  VW have cleverly not taken the Ciivic R approach of reversing into a branch of Halfords, see what bits attach themselves and driving off again.  I like the over the top 4 exhaust outlets, it works because the rest of the car is so subtle.

I also like the darker LED rear lights and the double U front lights with LED indicator but I've remembered Retrofit Disease and I don't want to catch another dose of that :)

The question with the R as a daily driver for me, is how much do I want the additional expense of running compared to the times I would use the power and what it does, which is I guess why so many GTD's are sold.   In reality there is no rational answer to this question because none of these cars are rational decisions, you buy them because they excite you, you want them and you want the experience.  Why didn't a buy I Seat Leon with the same engine as my GTD, not because I think it is a poor car, but the GTD is a Golf and it has that heritage and that's an experience.

On a slightly different note we did discuss some VCDS mods.  I've had a traffic sign recognition activated but it's not as exciting as it sounds and I do question how it is working but it is handy to have the speed limit sign displayed on the MFD.

Oh the spacers give the car a fantastic looks, a more squat hunkered down look, looks superb.

I do want to drive the R again, it feels amazing, hopefully once the 1000 mile mark has arrived we can go out again.  There's no doubt with the Golf feel and refinement plus the amazing 300bhp performance VW have created a vehicle that is more than a match for more expensive German brethren.   

 



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Re: I blame you lot...
« Reply #129 on: 05 July 2015, 14:01 »
The most interesting about R is perhaps not how well it goes fast but how well it goes slow.  It's completely calm driving round a town speeds, it almost unnerves, it's not shouty or angry, it's just a Golf.  You kind of fear it's going to creep up on you and surprise and sure, it's there, the eagerness is never far away, but this is a completely normal Golf to drive at town speeds.  Perhaps this is the genius of this gen of hyper Golf?  It's what they term these days as an 'everything car'.   

That's a pretty comprehensive read, wonder what your 'full review' would be like?  :whistle:  If I didn't already have an R on order, I probably would after reading your mini review, lol.

Much of what you say echoes my feeling and considerations towards the R and why I made it my next car choice.  I'm not coming from a GTD, but from GTI, so the increased running costs are really negligible in the great scheme of things.  But the comparison between the two is interesting and I expect there'll be a few on here whose ears are pricked.

I think the above passage is particularly pertinent.  It's a given that once you get the R out on the open road, well, you know, but equally important to me is the car's behaviour round town/city and the day to day slog (mine will be a daily driver).  It has to deliver at both ends of the driving spectrum, and everything in between.  I will find out myself in a while but from this, it sounds like that's exactly what it does!

Thanks  for posting!   :cool:
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