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Offline battleshipgray

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GTD or GTI
« on: 16 June 2015, 00:41 »
Sorry for the randomness of this post, but straddles a few areas.

In the market for new car. After exhaustive research have decided on Mk7 GTD or GTI. Have been reading some very helpful posts here but still can't bloody decide.

Not sure which way to jump. Have driven Mazda MX5's (3 of them) for last nine years so I like a punchy petrol. But drawn to the better economy of the GTD.

And I've done the obligatory research on web and in the car mags. I know this posting will excite both camps to vim, vigour, and vitriol, but can anyone help a VW newbie to make his mind up?

I drive about 14,000 miles a year. And having originally thought of picking up an ex-demonstrator motor with only a few miles, my local dealer suggested tonight that I go for a brand new vehicle, which they would bring in, pre-register, and pass the saving onto me.

Which left me not looking to pick up an existing car, but onto the VW configurator, to build my own.

Now just bloody confused.
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Re: GTD or GTI
« Reply #1 on: 16 June 2015, 07:15 »
Both a good choice, both will give you added punch over the NA engine of the MX5.

The difference between the petrol and diesel fuel costs in 14000 miles? Maybe a few hundred quid.

I vote GTI PP :cool:.

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Re: GTD or GTI
« Reply #2 on: 16 June 2015, 07:45 »
In the real world on performance there's not much in it - sure the GTI is 8mph faster top end (academic) and about a second quicker 0-60 (if you like traffic light grand prix's). You will find people in both camps here.

If "driving" really is your thing and the excitement of faster acceleration and the smoothness and rev-ability of a petrol engine then it's an easy choice - GTI all day long. As good as the diesel is, it's not a true enthusiasts (or petrol heads) car.

The flip side of the coin is however that the GTD is almost as quick in the real world, will return 45mpg all day long (and mid to high fifties on a run), whereas the GTI will be high twenties low thirties (although someone did once get 40+ from a GTI but think he was driving like a granny  :laugh:). The other thing about the GTD is that it's lazy torque and quite often doesn't need changing down to accelerate , although to be fair to the GTI, it's engine has an almost diesel like torque output as well.

Other things to consider are a) Do you like the red accents in the grill / lights / seats, or prefer the more subtle grey / chrome of the GTD. b) Do you like the GTI alloys or the Negaro units of the GTD (the optional 19" Santiago units are the same on both).

One final thing to consider is that if you really want to cane it, the GTI is the only one with the option of the performance or "PP" pack. Not only does that give you an additional 10bhp and bigger brakes front and rear (with GTI logo calipers), but also the frankly superb electro-mechanical limited slip diff - although this PP option is another £1000 on the basic price.

To be honest you can't go wrong with either - both are fantastic fast, quiet, comfortable, stylish, well equipped motors.

TBH, your next dilemma is the options list where you can easily add £7-8k of options !
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Re: GTD or GTI
« Reply #3 on: 16 June 2015, 09:12 »
I think coming from an MX5 I'd go for the petrol GTI. It will be the smoothest transition from nine years of petrol motoring. Plus, the GTI will probably beat your MX5's fuel economy too. In summer, on the motorway, I regularly get 38-40 mpg. This drops to low thirties with some hard blasts. Constant thrashing will see mid-high 20's (or low 30's depending how heavy your right foot is). Not bad for all that power!

Go and test drive both BEFORE you sign away nearly 30 grand ;-)
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Offline Mark V GTD

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Re: GTD or GTI
« Reply #4 on: 16 June 2015, 09:22 »
Fuel cost difference about 500 quid a year. Tax a lot cheaper and you get the lovely GTD wheels and subtle accents rather than the red trim - no brainer ;-)

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Re: GTD or GTI
« Reply #5 on: 16 June 2015, 09:27 »
Also don't pay anywhere near list price for a new one.You should be looking at 10-12% discount.Thats what most on here me included got.The dealer may try try and fob you off but be prepared to walk away and try another dealer.There are VW dealers that offer good discounts,which part of the country are you  at,maybe somebody on here may recommend a particular dealer local to you.
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Re: GTD or GTI
« Reply #6 on: 16 June 2015, 10:02 »
You say you do 14,000 miles, but what type of journeys are you doing? If its regular, short journeys then you'll find the GTD MPG is awful and will probably run into DPF issues along the way.

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Re: GTD or GTI
« Reply #7 on: 16 June 2015, 10:13 »
You say you do 14,000 miles, but what type of journeys are you doing? If its regular, short journeys then you'll find the GTD MPG is awful and will probably run into DPF issues along the way.

^^^this!

Plus chuck in that when its below about 8 degrees ambient the GTD takes a long old time to warm up. Winter MPG is about 20% less than summer and it takes a good 10 miles to warm up to maximum effeciency when very cold.

Don't get me wrong, the GTD is a fantastic mile muncher and the oil burner is much more lazy to drive but rapid at the same time. I really notice how much harder work a petrol engine is when i drive my Mrs car.

I love my GTD but I'd think long and hard about a GTI at 14k pa. Tending towards a DSG GTI in this argument.
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Re: GTD or GTI
« Reply #8 on: 16 June 2015, 13:46 »
Sorry for the randomness of this post, but straddles a few areas.

In the market for new car. After exhaustive research have decided on Mk7 GTD or GTI. Have been reading some very helpful posts here but still can't bloody decide.

Not sure which way to jump. Have driven Mazda MX5's (3 of them) for last nine years so I like a punchy petrol. But drawn to the better economy of the GTD.

And I've done the obligatory research on web and in the car mags. I know this posting will excite both camps to vim, vigour, and vitriol, but can anyone help a VW newbie to make his mind up?

I drive about 14,000 miles a year. And having originally thought of picking up an ex-demonstrator motor with only a few miles, my local dealer suggested tonight that I go for a brand new vehicle, which they would bring in, pre-register, and pass the saving onto me.

Which left me not looking to pick up an existing car, but onto the VW configurator, to build my own.

Now just bloody confused.

I have run umpteen diesels over the years but fancied a proper GTi this time so went petrol. Have to say that I dont regret it at all, no matter how good the diesel is unless it has 6 cylinders it will still sound like a diesel.

The GTi is fast, refined, and reasonably economical. Its also a much rarer sight and I love the red in the tartan and the red stripe on the grille - but then I have a red car!

The GTD is a good compromise but i think you will prefer the GTI coming from an MX5.

I also do c14k to 15k a year in mine - I'm happy to pay £10 quid a week more in fuel to have the petrol version.

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Offline Mark V GTD

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Re: GTD or GTI
« Reply #9 on: 16 June 2015, 15:03 »
My summer to winter mpg difference is nowhere near 20% - I would say 5 to 10% max!

If you like the whole petrol power, red accent/red strip through the headlights thing (and the wheels too) then maybe paying a tenner a week extra for fuel and a bit more tax is the way to go.

Personally if I went to petrol it would have to be an R as otherwise I would constantly wish I had bought the extra performance....an issue you don't have with a GTD.