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Offline gazmondo35

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Bird poo etched my paint in 10mins
« on: 04 May 2015, 20:12 »
i know the paint is soft on the mk7,but I literally come back from shopping with nothing on the car,came back out 10mins latter to get some more bits out the boot only to find a nice splattering on the roof which had already baked on in the sun ,I quickly grab some Maguires spray detailer to loosen the debris & gently removed it ,but to my horror it had etched into the clear coat, I then tried to polish it out but to no avail.I don't remember my TR mk7 gti being so bad , does the clear coat get harder over time.
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Re: Bird poo etched my paint in 10mins
« Reply #1 on: 04 May 2015, 20:25 »
I had a similar issue today. Had a squad of giant seagull replicate the scene from pearl harbour all over my GTI today. ( detailed it 2 days ago for its return on Friday when I collect my R). I sprayed it and wiped, but had to repeat before it came off, but that was baking in the sun for a good hour. My GTI is 14 months old and seemed pretty resistant given in was 19 degrees here today
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Re: Bird poo etched my paint in 10mins
« Reply #2 on: 04 May 2015, 22:43 »
same thing happened to me just last week,

less than an hour on my roof and its attacked the clear coat. I tried to polish it out but no difference.

Like all these things, it bothered me for a while but tbh i can only see it if i look for it.

My car is nearly 2 years old so i'd say its cured by now..
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Re: Bird poo etched my paint in 10mins
« Reply #4 on: 27 May 2015, 08:12 »
With the Autoglym explanation given, surely the lacquer would "heal" itself after you'd removed the sh!te and the car went through its next heating/cooling cycle sat in the sun, flattening out the lacquer again after it had softened in the heat? Unless the pH of the stuff is part of the reason it happens, coupled with the application of heat in the sun. Can anyone say they've had bird sh!te etch their paintwork and know the car was in the shade the entire time from deposit to removal? If so then it would disprove that theory.

No mention in their experimentation of them doing a "control" test for paint damage with the application of contaminants on a cool car to determine that hot bodywork and the moulding of the soft and warm lacquer is the prime reason for paint dulling

I haven't had any etching with C2V3 applied, even if I haven't promptly removed bird sh!te from my bodywork and the car has sat in direct sunlight getting warm, and yet this explanation claims that sealants have no preventative properties and that moulding around the dropping will occur anyway and marr your paintwork.

Definitely not my experience, and if that is the case then surely Mr Autoglym is doing himself out of a job? If these sealants offer no protection against bird lime or other contaminants with a high or low pH, then why bother if not only for protection against UV fading (which you'd expect the clear top coat to afford some protection against)?

I remain a cynic of the conclusions drawn by their experiment.
« Last Edit: 27 May 2015, 08:22 by monkeyhanger »
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Re: Bird poo etched my paint in 10mins
« Reply #5 on: 27 May 2015, 08:33 »
Did you watch the heat gun video?

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Re: Bird poo etched my paint in 10mins
« Reply #6 on: 27 May 2015, 13:11 »
I watched the video - just because the paint recovered under heat does not prove the Autoglym theory, it just means that under the application of heat after cleaning, the clear lacquer can behave like a liquid and fill from the surroundings and then reflatten, whether it was scarred on the surface or cratered. That's no bad thing (if you are careful with the heat gun and don't overcook the lacquer).

I've always found that on a well sealed car, as long as you make sure the bird sh!te is fully moistened before you remove it then no etching or marring occurs on the lacquer surface.

He's taken the heatgun solution, thought of one possible explanation and provided it as proof. If he were doing a proper experiment, he should try careful removal of moistened and softened lime that has cooked in the sun, same for lime that has dried in the shade on a cool car - doing it for both a sealed and unsealed surface and see what damage lurks on the lacquer surface under all 4 test conditions.

I certainly wouldn't take his testimony as "proof" that bird lime scarring is unavoidable (but fully reversible), so no need to seal your paintwork to protect it against bird lime.
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Re: Bird poo etched my paint in 10mins
« Reply #7 on: 27 May 2015, 14:50 »
Not in any way saying you don't need to seal the car, was simply saying that bird poo doesn't etch your paint. That is a mate of mines car that is immaculately looked after. Prior to trying wet sanding (on the etch theory) he tried a geat gun and it worked.

Essentially all I was saying is if there is damage caused by bird poo that has been left, the heat gun sorts it.

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Re: Bird poo etched my paint in 10mins
« Reply #8 on: 27 May 2015, 17:26 »
I have visions of MH trying to net a seagull and then squeezing it to create a test sample just so he can upload the control test to win this discussion :)

Sorry MH :)
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Re: Bird poo etched my paint in 10mins
« Reply #9 on: 27 May 2015, 18:48 »
I have visions of MH trying to net a seagull and then squeezing it to create a test sample just so he can upload the control test to win this discussion :)

Sorry MH :)

I've already been up on the roof to try and snare one, but the wind got up a bit and it just wasn't worth the risk.  :whistle:

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