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Offline am1w

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Comparing S3 Sportback and R 5 Door Build Quality
« on: 10 April 2015, 20:41 »
Today, I had a chance to compare the external build quality of my 5 door R (15 Plate), another 5 door R (64 Plate) in DBP, and two S3 Sportbacks (both 64 Plates) which were in metallic black. The cars were parked on my street and I wish I had taken some photos, but could not find my iPhone. I had left it switched off and it was under some cushions. So could not ring it to locate it. Damn.

Anyway, I must categorically state that the Audi S3s have superior build quality.The fit of the panels, the consistent gaps, the perfectly aligned doors and the quality of the paint trump the R by some margin.

Both Rs had badly hung front doors with the passenger front doors being the worst offenders, needing to be recessed a bit as the top trailing edges in the region of the weather strip being a bit proud. Both S3 Sportbacks had doors that were perfectly hung.

Both Rs had significantly more orange peel than the S3s which had a very flat, luscious paint finish. Most impressive.

The R in DBP had Vienna Leather seats which looked a bit baggy, creased and shiny. My cloth seats so far are still pristine, after I fixed them by steaming the Alcantara bits and also as they have been hardly used. I wonder how they will wear? One S3 had black leather seats and the other had beige leather seats and both looked pristine with no creases or bagginess. The S3s have a truly beautiful interior.

My neighbours found my antics quite amusing.

One thing in the R's favour is that I find it to be much better looking. It looks sporty and not frumpy like the S3 Sportback. My neighbours also felt the same. They probably did not want to upset me!

Thought I should share this and sorry to burst your R bubble.
« Last Edit: 10 April 2015, 22:36 by am1w »
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Re: Comparing S3 Sportback and R 5 Door Build Quality
« Reply #1 on: 10 April 2015, 22:26 »
Maybe the Audi's already had their doors realigned  :laugh:
I agree with the paint. I think VW are really bad for orange peel.

My cloth seats so far are still pristine as they have been hardly used. I wonder how they will wear?

I think you have been drinking too much of the hard stuff Asker or your mental health has started to deteriorate  :shocked:
How can your cloth seats still be in pristine condition when you posted this just the other day?


Today, I had a go at removing slight puckering/bagginess from the front cloth seats.

(1) Driver's Seat: One seat base bolster along the top ridge was slightly puckered. A damp cloth and a steam iron sorted this.
(2) Passenger Front Seat: One section of the Alcantara on the seat base was a bit baggy. Application of a damp cloth and a bit of steam sorted this.

Now better than when new!


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Re: Comparing S3 Sportback and R 5 Door Build Quality
« Reply #2 on: 10 April 2015, 22:34 »
Bonkers.
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Re: Comparing S3 Sportback and R 5 Door Build Quality
« Reply #3 on: 10 April 2015, 22:37 »
Maybe the Audi's already had their doors realigned  :laugh:
I agree with the paint. I think VW are really bad for orange peel.

My cloth seats so far are still pristine after I fixed them by steaming the Alcantara bits and also as they have been hardly used. I wonder how they will wear?

I think you have been drinking too much of the hard stuff Asker or your mental health has started to deteriorate  :shocked:
How can your cloth seats still be in pristine condition when you posted this just the other day?


Today, I had a go at removing slight puckering/bagginess from the front cloth seats.

(1) Driver's Seat: One seat base bolster along the top ridge was slightly puckered. A damp cloth and a steam iron sorted this.
(2) Passenger Front Seat: One section of the Alcantara on the seat base was a bit baggy. Application of a damp cloth and a bit of steam sorted this.

Now better than when new!


 :undecided: :undecided:

Fixed this omission in my post. Thanks for following me so closely. Most appreciated. :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: 10 April 2015, 22:51 by am1w »
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Re: Comparing S3 Sportback and R 5 Door Build Quality
« Reply #4 on: 10 April 2015, 22:40 »
I can't say I noticed better paint on the Audi (finish) when I was paying the S3 close scrutiny and contemplating a change of order around Nov (following the R's big GFV drop). My boss' boss' Sepang S5 is peppered with paint chips that would indicate it is no more resilient than VW paint (and it doesn't do many miles either). I really can't imagine Audi's paint being any better from a chemical composition point of view nor better applied.

The whole spraying and IR oven curing process is automated, I can't imagine Audi having better spray booths than VW, especially the flagship Wolfsburg plant which is bang up to date. The only way I can think of that VW could be suffering more orange peel is if the throughput is too fast in the paintshop, thick coats upon thick coats with insufficient drying. When I look at the finish of my GTD from an orange peel point of view, I think it's as good as anything else mainstream out there - have you seen the state of current/new Honda and BMWs for orange peel lately? For VW to be rushing the painting, the painting process would logically have to be the limiting step in building a VW (I wouldn't know if that is the case).

Due to the Aluminium doors being so light on their hinges, the S3 doors feel a bit cheap (it's weird how we perceive heaviness with quality - I have a titanium watch that I don't like the "feel" of when handling it off the wrist for similar reasons). Perception only (aluminum is good, and despite being lighter than the VW doors, a quick tap had them sounding a little thicker), but I have had no issues with hang or panel gaps on my GTD.

I don't think there are any pecking order/grades of workmanship from VW and Audi plants, they'd surely attempt to build them all to the same standards with same level of training to personnel. do we really expect Ingoldstadt Audi cars to be built better than Hungarian Audis, in turn better built than Wolfsburg VWs, in turn better built than Spanish VW Polos, in turn better built than Portuguese VW Scirocco/EOS etc?

There are some shared plants between VAG too, would a spanish built Audi Q3 have had more attention lavished on it than a Polo or Ibiza built at the same plant, or have been painted with a different process?

If you're looking to see something "premium" for the badge, you'll see it (and ignore/not look for something that the VW might be doing better).

The most impressive thing for me on the MK7 vs previous VWs I have owned is the consistently small and tidy panel gaps, very impressed bythe bodywork (except bumpers being a slightly different shade, but I see that on plenty of other marques, depending upon the colour - darker shades, especially metallics seem more opaque on the black bumper and less likely to suffer from this)

There are pennies between an R and an S3 (about £800/2.5%), and if Audi pays it's workforce more than VW pays theirs for a supposedly better job done, you'd expect less money to have gone into the actual car (materials) if costs between the 2 finished articles are pretty much the same.

The quality of the standard leather on the S3 didn't impress me any more than VW's nappa options either, although the dash looks a little more premium in a minimalist kind of way (with the flip up screen not deployed - looks a real afterthought eyesore when it is).

For me there was nowt between the 2 cars - a matter of slightly better materials used in the interior (softer lower dash/lower door card plastics and standard nappa leather) vs standard equipment separating the 2 beyond external looks.

Knowing your car and the slight niggles it may or may not have had at delivery (that slight door catch adjustment that needs doing) vs a cursory look at your neighbour's cars and not knowing if they've had some remedial tweaking after collection may not be a completely fair appraisal of VW build quality vs Audi build quality. With the exception of the plants that make the truly high end and low volume VAG cars (like the Phaeton in Dresden's "glass" factory), i'd expect QA/QC and building standards to be pretty uniform across all plants.
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Re: Comparing S3 Sportback and R 5 Door Build Quality
« Reply #5 on: 10 April 2015, 22:55 »
Thought I should share this and sorry to burst your R bubble.

I'll reserve judgement until I'm in possession of an R.

People who spec cloth always whinge on about leather being saggy, creased etc, as if they're justifying to themselves why they didn't spec it.  ETTO :wink:

There's always a trade off - superior quality interior on the Audi, but looks so boring and bland, like it's given up on life. R much better looking but less premium cabin.  Know which one gets my vote.

Perhaps you are looking too hard for faults, give the car a chance, drive it and enjoy it  :smiley:
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Re: Comparing S3 Sportback and R 5 Door Build Quality
« Reply #6 on: 10 April 2015, 23:20 »
I wrote the post after what I observed today and when I saw a couple of 5 door GTIs at the Dealership. I really don't care that much as my car is leased cheaply, as I would never pay good money for a non-premium VW.

I just don't understand why people are being so excessively defensive and over protective over a throwaway non-premium depreciating asset.

It's only a Golf, albeit a fast and good one. But it is still a Golf. Just remember that.
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Re: Comparing S3 Sportback and R 5 Door Build Quality
« Reply #7 on: 10 April 2015, 23:41 »
I wrote the post after what I observed today and when I saw a couple of 5 door GTIs at the Dealership. I really don't care that much as my car is leased cheaply, as I would never pay good money for a non-premium VW.

I just don't understand why people are being so excessively defensive and over protective over a throwaway non-premium depreciating asset.

It's only a Golf, albeit a fast and good one. But it is still a Golf. Just remember that.

Who's being excessively defence and protective  :huh:

Of course it's just a Golf, most of us aren't elevating it to God-like status (this is not the R Forum you know).  And because it is just a (fast-ish) Golf, it's perhaps not surprising there may be a few niggles, but I suspect if you'd leased an Audi you'd be posting a similar observation on an Audi forum.
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Re: Comparing S3 Sportback and R 5 Door Build Quality
« Reply #8 on: 10 April 2015, 23:55 »
I wrote the post after what I observed today and when I saw a couple of 5 door GTIs at the Dealership. I really don't care that much as my car is leased cheaply, as I would never pay good money for a non-premium VW.

I just don't understand why people are being so excessively defensive and over protective over a throwaway non-premium depreciating asset.

It's only a Golf, albeit a fast and good one. But it is still a Golf. Just remember that.

Who's being excessively defence and protective  :huh:

Of course it's just a Golf, most of us aren't elevating it to God-like status (this is not the R Forum you know).  And because it is just a (fast-ish) Golf, it's perhaps not surprising there may be a few niggles, but I suspect if you'd leased an Audi you'd be posting a similar observation on an Audi forum.

It is always good to pre-empt.

I was going to buy an Audi S3 Sportback or a BMW M235i, but the cheap R lease deal swayed me. I am glad I did as the R is an excellent car which I do like very much. However, I feel there is nothing amiss in pointing out its few faults which is par of the course with most mass produced cars.

I'll go over it with an even finer tooth comb tomorrow and try and discover a few more niggles. :laugh:
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Re: Comparing S3 Sportback and R 5 Door Build Quality
« Reply #9 on: 11 April 2015, 00:01 »
It is always good to pre-empt.

I was going to buy an Audi S3 Sportback or a BMW M235i, but the cheap R lease deal swayed me. I am glad I did as the R is an excellent car which I do like very much. However, I feel there is nothing amiss in pointing out its few faults which is par of the course with most mass produced cars.

No problem with people pointing out faults, in fact it's helpful to know about things like the door issue.  Give it a few months and I might be doing the very same thing  :laugh:

I'll go over it with an even finer tooth comb tomorrow and try and discover a few more niggles. :laugh:

I wait with bated breath.  I've got a bloody big magnifying glass you can borrow if you like  :tongue:  :smiley:
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