Another Stolen Mk7 GTD Pure white Cheshire

[Beddie]

Anygreg, feel your pain re the denial of our local police force ... 

It's 18 months on since we had 2 are attempts on our car, first was someone snooping on the drive whilst another knocked on the door at tea time asking 'for dave', slammed the door in his face and then noticed another 2 scrotes hiding in the bushes opposite, week later the wife was home alone at 1pm when they came in via a smashed patio door glass, luckily she went into full on crazy protective mother mode as our 1 year old was asleep in the living room and screamed at them whilst throwing cushions off the sofa! Must have startled them as the one in the kitchen bolted and nearly knocked his 2 mates waiting on the drive over!
Police response to that was to be fair excellent, 7 cars within 4 mins and the chopper! But even though at the time plenty of cars were going missing both in the local area and even our estate they refuse to believe it's an ongoing thing 

[Anygreg]

Anygreg, feel your pain re the denial of our local police force ... 

It's 18 months on since we had 2 are attempts on our car, first was someone snooping on the drive whilst another knocked on the door at tea time asking 'for dave', slammed the door in his face and then noticed another 2 scrotes hiding in the bushes opposite, week later the wife was home alone at 1pm when they came in via a smashed patio door glass, luckily she went into full on crazy protective mother mode as our 1 year old was asleep in the living room and screamed at them whilst throwing cushions off the sofa! Must have startled them as the one in the kitchen bolted and nearly knocked his 2 mates waiting on the drive over!
Police response to that was to be fair excellent, 7 cars within 4 mins and the chopper! But even though at the time plenty of cars were going missing both in the local area and even our estate they refuse to believe it's an ongoing thing 

That's unbelievable!

The taking of the car, as much as it pssd me off wasn't a big deal, it was the 'entering the property' or ' throwing a brick through my window' that really pssd me off.

If you skilled enough to steal a modern day car, then fair play, put breaking and entering to steal the keys to take my car, that's just down right scum! Last scum at that....

The reality is, this is writhe in Europe, some real scary stories, and the fact we are pretty much boarder less. Ow here in the UK, things are only going to get worse. Whilst the do Gooders sit in the ivory towers blinkered from what's really going on in this country, the hat working honest public that prop this country up pay the price, makes me sick, even more so when people in this country defend the scum that are entering this country.

Before anyone jumps on the 'let everyone into the UK because we should trust everyone, because everyone is honest and hard working' band wagon, the police confirmed that the gang stealing the cars was European, was/is organised, are stolen to order, and is selling and exporting into Africa (right hand drive)...

It's time the British woke up and stand up to what's really going on in the UK, we are spoon fed BS daily by the powers that be, and insulated from the real truth of what's going on.

The reality is, the horse has now bolted and we face real big problems here! Things ain't going to get any better that's for sure!

Keep the public under paid and working hard, that way we never lift our heads to see what's going on.... It's All about control...

Here endeth the rant

[Poached]

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Open borders has had unintended consequences and needs urgent review. Also note that threat comes from persons holding UK passports as well...

Furthermore, the lack of funding for the Police Force is becoming more evident and it's probably the same for the 'Border Force' as well. It wouldn't surprise me if some Police forces were going to be retained in a few years time...

[fredgroves]

Cars stolen and shipped in containers to Africa/Middle East is neither new nor anything to do with lax intra-EU border control.

You only have to watch some of those police/customs fly on the wall doccos and you will see that its really, really common and has been for YEARS.

The problem is that they don't have the manpower to open and inspect every single container leaving the UK... and even then, the front of the container is often packed out with crap with the cars hidden behind them.

Unless you are planning on paying a lot more taxation, this problem won't be solved.

[Anygreg]

Cars stolen and shipped in containers to Africa/Middle East is neither new nor anything to do with lax intra-EU border control.

You only have to watch some of those police/customs fly on the wall doccos and you will see that its really, really common and has been for YEARS.

The problem is that they don't have the manpower to open and inspect every single container leaving the UK... and even then, the front of the container is often packed out with crap with the cars hidden behind them.

Unless you are planning on paying a lot more taxation, this problem won't be solved.

Add the extra cost in manpower to the shipping of said stolen goods. Or have units pre checked , this could be policed if they really wanted to stop this.

 Anpr does a pretty good job of fining those that speed?

Plus, when they do arrest somebody in connection, as they did in this instance, charge them, instead of believing there BS excuse that they bought it in good faith lol..

Or we could just continue to let this happen, do nothing and hope it doesn't happen to us.

Try bringing back an few extra packs of cigarettes or 1L over your alcohol allowance back into the UK without declaring it?

The right people in the right places is all it needs... I agree we are short staffed on this, but there are plenty of unemployed getting benefits , why not train them to do it, we already pay them! Just a thought....

[fredgroves]

2013.... 21.4 MILLION containers came in and out of the UK.

Its roughly one third of that leaving the UK, so about 7 million containers per year.

To examine each one is probably about 30 minutes work MINIMUM (time to move the container to the inspection area, open it and briefly check)- and that's assuming you are only looking for stolen cars.

You'd probably have to go further than just looking for cars, otherwise someone would say "but you didn't find blah blah blah"

At the moment they look at the source, destination and the supposed manifest and target them for inspection based on statistical analysis - its not perfect, but it does use their resources to the best.

If you examined them all, you'd need to do it in a timely manner too - you couldn't hold up freight on that kind of scale.

[remlapeel]

The maths with those figures is simply staggering. If you even pretend 1 container could be done in minutes

So 7,000,000 divided by 365 = 19178 needs to be checked per day.

Divide that by 24 = 799 checked per hour.

If one person could check 1 container in 30 minutes you would need  400 containers to be checked per 30 minutes, which would be a minimum workforce on 1 per container people to be checking constantly 24hours a day 365 days a year.

The average day being 8hours long at around £7ph


It would cost an estimated £25mllion to check the containers.

That without factoring holidays, employers NI sick pay and the time delayed on containers.

[fredgroves]

Yep....and what if my 40 foot container has a car at the back, with 20 tonnes of "stuff" in front of it, packed floor to ceiling.

There's only one way into the container.... its all got to come out.

Judging by my experience of my company loading/unloading containers we send/receive, it takes about 4 people and a forklift about 5 hours to do one... and thats either loading or unloading - not both!

This is why they only sample and not inspect them all...

[Anygreg]

The maths with those figures is simply staggering. If you even pretend 1 container could be done in minutes

So 7,000,000 divided by 365 = 19178 needs to be checked per day.

Divide that by 24 = 799 checked per hour.

If one person could check 1 container in 30 minutes you would need  400 containers to be checked per 30 minutes, which would be a minimum workforce on 1 per container people to be checking constantly 24hours a day 365 days a year.

The average day being 8hours long at around £7ph


It would cost an estimated £25mllion to check the containers.

That without factoring holidays, employers NI sick pay and the time delayed on containers.

think the figures were 1/3rd or 7mil outbound freight from Dover?

truth is and not wanting to get bogged down on why we cant protect our borders and possessions from leaving the UK, but the fact is the vehicle was on a transporter with 8 other cars?

the point is it needs to be looked at, documentation needs to be better suited to stop these stolen vehicles ever being allowed onto the docks or the back of a transporter, let alone a sealed container.

I can probably list 20 reasons why something wouldn't or couldn't work, we need just one to say it can and make it happen...

sat in far to many meetings over the years with others telling me how X or Y wont work , that's the easy answer.... tell me how to make it work, or how to fix it, or at least make it harder for the crims to get away with it, as they are taking the pss

[fredgroves]

As with any decision to spend money, you have to weigh up the benefits and balance your spend with whatever else you could spend the money on.

And when you are the government, see if you can get someone else to spend the money instead by pressurizing them to do something - eg car manufacturers to make cars more secure or insurance companies to pay out more or...

However, what is definitely true is that this is NOT an EU borders issue.

I'd guess the USA has just a big a problem with this with cars being shipped to south america... and it doesn't come more hardcore than US ICE and DHS.