Bridgestone S002 = death trap!

[fredgroves]

Interesting response, but really only the same as the one VW gave...

I wonder though, when you've swapped to something else, does it actually 100% remove the wheel spin that we all know and love - the booting it off the line one and the (more concerning) one where you can spin up in second or even third whilst moving along?

Is the problem with the Tombstones the road temperature or wet or both?

In other words, has anyone actually started to map this out?

[fredgroves]

PS if you thought either company was going to reply with "yeah we've got 5 deaths attributed to our tyres in the last 6 months" then you don't understand the implications of such a statement ;-)

They are never going to say anything like that, even if its true.

[Mr Savage]

You will never beable to remove wheel spin. Not with a FWD car with such high power and torque outputs (especially with the torque kicking in so early)

So to answer your question, no the wheel spin is still prevalent when flooring it in 1st as you'd expect but wheel hop/tramping HAS been removed since putting Michellins on the front as well as wheel spin in 3rd & 4th which occurred on the Bridgestones.

[fredgroves]

I'm not even slightly a techie when it comes to cars, I always assumed people talking about "tramping" where simply referring to loss of traction caused by massive application of the throttle from a high torque engine.

Reading this, it seems its actually caused by a harmonic in the drive train assembly:

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=46781

In which case, tyres won't fix it?

[charv94]

So basically everyone on here is a liar, what we've all experienced is nonsense, and we should be grateful for the Bridgestones as they work fine on a 458 Italia.  Excellent. 

I seem to remember top gear talking about the change from pirellis on the 430 to the bridgestones on the 458. I'm pretty sure jeremy said the first thing you need to do with your 458 is get a set of pirellis because it will handle better and drive better...

[monkeyhanger]

Interesting response, but really only the same as the one VW gave...

I wonder though, when you've swapped to something else, does it actually 100% remove the wheel spin that we all know and love - the booting it off the line one and the (more concerning) one where you can spin up in second or even third whilst moving along?

Is the problem with the Tombstones the road temperature or wet or both?

In other words, has anyone actually started to map this out?

I can clog my Dad's GTD DSG on not experience any tramping from a standstill (On Dunlop SP01 rubber), If I give mine more than 1/3 of the throttle in the damp and 1/2 in the dry to pull away - my GTD will tramp furiously on S001s, in the summer and in the winter.

The Bridgestone tyre is extremely hard - they will last upwards of 14k miles when treated mean, they could easily last 20k miles if you're a toodler. They might be adequate for a 1.2TSI MK7 Golf, but they cannot cope on a GTD or GTI. The GTD's initial brochure spec included an "antitramping feature", if there is such a thing, the Bridgestones have found a way to defeat it.

The "press statement" by Bridgestone does nothing to address concerns or issues, they're denying the issue that some of us have experienced on a daily basis with out GTDs and GTIs that have the wrong shoes on.

[charv94]

They might be adequate for a 1.2TSI MK7 Golf, but they cannot cope on a GTD or GTI.

I did think that, it says there were rigouroulsly tested for the golf mk7, not for the gti/gti which makes up such a small part of the range sales, that they probably were not in the forefront of the testers minds

[fredgroves]

Some more interesting discussion here:

http://www.mc2racing.com/tech/20061012a/

Tires do not cause wheel hop, though they do determine the grip level at which wheel hop occurs. For example, race tires, with their increased grip over street tires, will not break traction until you reach a higher level of acceleration. Some people might think that race tires solved their wheel hop problems, but in truth they merely changed their "wheel hop acceleration threshold" from a level below their launch acceleration to a level above their launch acceleration.

[Mr Savage]

Fred. That's exactly what we're saying though. The "threshold" for wheel hop is significantly lower on the Bridgestones than other tyres.

That post kind of contradicts itself as it says tures don't solve wheel hop they just stop it from happening. Which is the same thing?

[205Rallee]

You will never beable to remove wheel spin. Not with a FWD car with such high power and torque outputs (especially with the torque kicking in so early)

So to answer your question, no the wheel spin is still prevalent when flooring it in 1st as you'd expect but wheel hop/tramping HAS been removed since putting Michellins on the front as well as wheel spin in 3rd & 4th which occurred on the Bridgestones.

Same here, 5k on PS3 and no tramping whatsoever, although they do still spin if very slippery.