My GTI Value Vs a new R

[TheMoggy]

Nissan GTR on PCH now there's a thought.
Seriously though...not to go off thread. I only raised the point about mpg because I don't see any 'major' differences between the R and the GTI and definitely that enough of a difference for people not to swap. I do agree though 9 mpg would be an issue.

[Mr Savage]

Nissan GTR on PCH now there's a thought.
Seriously though...not to go off thread. I only raised the point about mpg because I don't see any 'major' differences between the R and the GTI and definitely that enough of a difference for people not to swap. I do agree though 9 mpg would be an issue.

There is no major difference but there still is a difference and it's not the only difference between the two cars but it's still something to consider when moving across to the R because as Monkeyhanger has said you would be looking at a noticeable increase in monthly fuel costs.

I was in the same shoes as most of the people on this forum and tried to reason in my own mind that it was a good idea for me to move from my GTI PP to an R and after realising that I would be losing a small fortune in the process of doing so (my original deposit being the biggest chunk) I came to the realisation that it was a bit of a crazy idea. You always lose money on cars, but there comes a point where it gets too much.

So to put my sensible head on, I decided to stick with my GTI because it is an awesome car and does everything I need it to do so why would I get greedy and upgrade to the R at such a heavy cost? I and GTI7ME would lose our original deposit, then probably have to throw more money in towards the deposit of the R AND have an increase in our future monthly payments. On the PCP contract that is. VW would see me coming from a mile off.

[monkeyhanger]

Whatever you change from in less than 18 months, the dealership will catch you with your pants down. Year 1 will lose you half as much money as the whole 3 year loss, if not more. Diluting the initial hit into 2 or 3 years usually makes it more paletable. On the other hand, if you can end up with an R that's going to cost you £100+ a month less, that's offsetting your heavy depreciation by at least £2400 making the loss not so huge after all. I'm going to be net £4300 down on my GTD having run it for 18 months when I change to an R - i'll have lost £239 a month net on it to move into an R, i'd consider that a bargain on a £26k car. I'm getting a level of discount also that was nowhere near achievable when I ordered my GTD.

Depreciation is always going to be by far your biggest monthly cost. In Moggy's case of going from 30mpg in the GTI to 27mpg in the R, and assuming he's filling with 98/99 (as he should) at 5p a litre more than 95, he's down about £24 a month on fuel, which is nowt in the grand scale of things, considering the extra ps and 4WD. Those extra costs over 18 months would just about buy him a tuning box for his GTI PP (assuming the box wouldn't make his GTI any thirstier, nor increase his insurance premium).

Taking everything into consideration on the change (and considering that maybe a large chunk of the OPs "deposit" might simply be discount achieved rather than money lost), it's not as expensive as it first appears. If you loaded up on the options, it will hurt more to lose their value so early.

[CraigW]

No matter which way you cut it, it doesn't make good financial sense to swap so soon. The other factor to take into account is your effectively taking a fairly substantial double hit on depreciation as soon as you drive that R off the forecourt. As good as the R is Id probably get bored after 18 months but would have to keep it at least 3 years not to lose a huge chunk of money.

[dubber36]

Jimble's comments made a lot of sense. I'm not sure that an .:R would feel all that different if you had just stepped from a GTI. Yes it's faster, but when will you be able to use that extra performance on the road?

My situation is somewhat different as I can't be doing with all this money borrowing, but I'd like to change my 6 GT manual to a 6 GTD DSG. Having had the GT for nearly 4 years, I'm sure that the GTD wouldn't have that new car feeling for very long, so I'm looking at alternative cars.

[Booth11]

Jimble's comments made a lot of sense. I'm not sure that an .:R would feel all that different if you had just stepped from a GTI. Yes it's faster, but when will you be able to use that extra performance on the road?

My situation is somewhat different as I can't be doing with all this money borrowing, but I'd like to change my 6 GT manual to a 6 GTD DSG. Having had the GT for nearly 4 years, I'm sure that the GTD wouldn't have that new car feeling for very long, so I'm looking at alternative cars.

I'm with you on the whole borrowing money situ.

Surely there's little sense in going into another mk6.  A used mk7 GTD DSG?  With all these being chopped in for Rs there'll be plenty around.

[matchboy]

Really interesting thread. My two penneths worth:

If you're going to lose an obscene amount of money then don't change.  I ordered an R (subsequently cancelled as I've found one to buy which I pick up this week  ) - but I only put £1,000 down on my GTI last year so I'm happy to lose that, and I've only put £1,000 down on the R.  I could be paying less every month by leasing, but then it wouldn't be my car.

Do I think the R will be a massive step up from the GTI?  No.  The GTI is a brilliant car, I love mine.  But I've always wanted an R (R32 etc) with DSG, so that's what I'm getting.  Would I be getting one if I'd lost 8 grand - not a chance!  But there's deals to be had in other ways (I got 12% off) if you're willing to drive a hard bargain and find a dealer that actually wants a sale - I spent a serious amount of time negotiating with multiple dealers around the country - then you can find a deal that suits you.  Some dealers wouldn't budge at all and wanted full price - that of course is their perogative, but short sighted in my opinion - yes there's delays in build, but its not a Ferrari.

However you look at it cars are a waste of money.  You're always going to lose out.  Me personally, I don't care - I want what I want, and you're only on this planet once so you might as well strive to get what makes you happy (within reason ie. not crippling yourself  ) - I love cars, I love Golfs, and therefore I'm happy to lose money on them - otherwise I'd be driving a Pug or something similar that cost me not a lot to run.

The smile on my face I'll have when I get to put the hammer down in my R will outweigh anything else IMO    But I wouldn't be smiling if I'd lost a sh!t load of money!

[dubber36]

I've only put £1,000 down on the R.  I could be paying less every month by leasing, but then it wouldn't be my car.

Some might say there's not much difference.

Me personally, I don't care - I want what I want, and you're only on this planet once so you might as well strive to get what makes you happy

As Freddy Mercury once sang, "I want it all, I want it all, I want it all and I want it now"

[matchboy]

As Freddy Mercury once sang, "I want it all, I want it all, I want it all and I want it now"

  Yup, that about sums it up 

[CraigW]

When you collecting Mark and what did you end up getting? Very exciting!!!