Bye-bye GTi hello R

[matchboy]

thats the million dollar question. how can you find out cost price.

Matchboy, he has said that th GTD's GTI and Rs are flying out the window so i need to turn there to ascertain what they have.

Ok cool, well get on with it then 

[monkeyhanger]

Salesmen will tell you anything remember 
What you want to do is find out what the Cost price is then hit them with it.
Dealers that sell through Orange Wheels and Drive The Deal are still making a profit plus giving the brokers a fee so the Cost price must be lower than that.

It will be interesting to see what they say to you.

thats the million dollar question. how can you find out cost price.

There's a few ways they could interpret "cost price". My dealer broke down all the profits when we were on the last car (maybe he left a few factors out, but it all seems plausible what he told me).

The basic margin in a VW is just 5%. Then they add around 8% for customer satisfaction survey scores and another 9% for volume bonuses. They can get compensation fromVW also for delayed builds, when a goodwill gesture needs to be given, or they committed to a p/x price that’s diminished their margin on the used car due to a 3+ month delay after scheduled build week.

So you might have them just offering 5% off RRP and calling it cost, or if they’re on top marks for customer satisfaction and volume and give you consideration into that you’d get 22% off (never going to happen!). Keep an eye on the cost to change for whatever they offer. If they can’t match the cost of change equivalent of a fair p/x price (CAP) and 12% Orangewheels discount then you can probably do better. If you get 20% off your R, it’ll probably correspond with a £16k part-ex value. They will be doing this event to maintain their top tier volume discount status.

Rereading the text with the "cost" offer, it reads to me like they might have 19 cars already in stock and unregistered that they want to get sold "at cost". If there isn't an R or a GTI amongst them then i'm not sure if an order placed on a non-stock car would qualify. Or it could read that they need to register 19 new orders with VW UK by the end of the month. Check them out.

[virginVWman]

"Hi all, following on from my last thread in the 6 forum went to the dealer and this is the deal they've offered me
and im chuffed, mk7r in red, alacantara interior,manual, upgraded sat nav, dcc, tax until april 2015, 3 years free servicing, free supaguard treatment inside and out and some fuel chucked in, 4k for mine as deposit for 308 a month on a 4 yr pcp with a gfv of 14,748"

Lad on R forum uploaded this, fair enough 4 year contract, but £308.00...not bad at all! Waiting to hear back from VW, but after a configuration of white, leather and manual with 5k deposit still coming up at 420 per month which I don't get. Getting impatient now want this sorted

[monkeyhanger]

"Hi all, following on from my last thread in the 6 forum went to the dealer and this is the deal they've offered me
and im chuffed, mk7r in red, alacantara interior,manual, upgraded sat nav, dcc, tax until april 2015, 3 years free servicing, free supaguard treatment inside and out and some fuel chucked in, 4k for mine as deposit for 308 a month on a 4 yr pcp with a gfv of 14,748"

Lad on R forum uploaded this, fair enough 4 year contract, but £308.00...not bad at all! Waiting to hear back from VW, but after a configuration of white, leather and manual with 5k deposit still coming up at 420 per month which I don't get. Getting impatient now want this sorted

There's pennies between 3 years and 4 years, there's about a pound a month in it. In that last year depreciation will eat up all the capital being paid in his payments.

Really don’t get how you’re at £420 a month with 3dr (5dr is about the same as better residuals on 5dr cover cost), manual, leather (normal, not the nappa?), white and £5k down is coming in at £378pm over 3 years/10k miles per year on the finance calculator. Unless you are speccing nappa? That leather is costing you about £55 a month for the standard stuff or £84 a month for the nappa.

[virginVWman]

"Hi all, following on from my last thread in the 6 forum went to the dealer and this is the deal they've offered me
and im chuffed, mk7r in red, alacantara interior,manual, upgraded sat nav, dcc, tax until april 2015, 3 years free servicing, free supaguard treatment inside and out and some fuel chucked in, 4k for mine as deposit for 308 a month on a 4 yr pcp with a gfv of 14,748"

Lad on R forum uploaded this, fair enough 4 year contract, but £308.00...not bad at all! Waiting to hear back from VW, but after a configuration of white, leather and manual with 5k deposit still coming up at 420 per month which I don't get. Getting impatient now want this sorted

There's pennies between 3 years and 4 years, there's about a pound a month in it. In that last year depreciation will eat up all the capital being paid in his payments.

Really don’t get how you’re at £420 a month with 3dr (5dr is about the same as better residuals on 5dr cover cost), manual, leather (normal, not the nappa?), white and £5k down is coming in at £378pm over 3 years/10k miles per year on the finance calculator. Unless you are speccing nappa? That leather is costing you about £55 a month for the standard stuff or £84 a month for the nappa.

Just off the phone with Stirling  VW, here as follows:

My car valued at 18k meaning £1200 equity there abouts
Jan deliver for white 3 door manual with leather
7.5% discount
15k miles a year
29k loan finance
Per month £478.00

No deal! Upfront and said not a chance, £400 tops and id be looking for £18,300 as per orangewheels (monkeyhanger ha) and close to 12%. Hear his voice strain a tad ha so hes away to think about it and call me back. Now to play that best offer of with Gorgie VW

[blueheaduk]

Hah! Funny to hear you are dealing with Stirling - that's my local dealer too.

Will be interesting to see how you get on. I'm currently in e-mail discussion with a salesperson about the R too, and sounds like theyre offering a similar discount.

[virginVWman]

Hah! Funny to hear you are dealing with Stirling - that's my local dealer too.

Will be interesting to see how you get on. I'm currently in e-mail discussion with a salesperson about the R too, and sounds like theyre offering a similar discount.

Good luck...cos they wont do jack for you!! That's the best deal they could give me. Guy was like yeh fed up of hearing about orangewheels ha. For putting down like 4-5k and still at 480 a month not a chance. Fed up of trying to deal with dealers over the phone. Never call you back or when they do they take like 6 hours to do so. Let me know what you get offered pal if that's okay or if they budge

Can someone also tell me if I am being unreasonable or difficult here as im starting to getting seriously p*ssed off. Promised phone calls that don't happen, leaving messages etc. How often do you have to pester someone, do these guys want a sale or not. Ive rang VW Gorgie 3 times today and there always with someone or away from their desk. Orangewheels twice similar situation. Feel like just going in or e-mailing them 

[monkeyhanger]

Virginvwman: Don't underestimate how busy these salespeople are, the phone was ringing off the hook when I popped in to see my salesman and do the deal on the R - and he didn't answer the phone while he was talking to me. Try ringing during the week and avoid lunchtime and evening for your best chance to get through at a time that they've got time to talk to you.

Maybe they've met all their targets that they have to and are reluctant to give a great deal away? Maybe they've got a glut of GTDs and GTIs coming through around your expected delivery (if they were to place an order). Who knows, but it's pretty common knowledge that Scottish dealerships (especially up in Aberdeen) aren't famed for their great deals - it's usually north-west England (and some home counties dealerships) that do the best deals - VW Chester (you know about), Lookers Burnley used to (and may still do) supply UKNEWCARS - the salesman in fleet (the broker deals came through fleet) told me to come back directly next time, to save him paying the broker their finders fee. They're doing 11% discount, so they'd be around £350 out from Orangewheels prices. Always worth a shop around. Just looked up Burnley, it closed and transferred all trade to Blackburn branch. Can't remember the salesman's name unfortunately.

[virginVWman]

Virginvwman: Don't underestimate how busy these salespeople are, the phone was ringing off the hook when I popped in to see my salesman and do the deal on the R - and he didn't answer the phone while he was talking to me. Try ringing during the week and avoid lunchtime and evening for your best chance to get through at a time that they've got time to talk to you.

Maybe they've met all their targets that they have to and are reluctant to give a great deal away? Maybe they've got a glut of GTDs and GTIs coming through around your expected delivery (if they were to place an order). Who knows, but it's pretty common knowledge that Scottish dealerships (especially up in Aberdeen) aren't famed for their great deals - it's usually north-west England (and some home counties dealerships) that do the best deals - VW Chester (you know about), Lookers Burnley used to (and may still do) supply UKNEWCARS - the salesman in fleet (the broker deals came through fleet) told me to come back directly next time, to save him paying the broker their finders fee. They're doing 11% discount, so they'd be around £350 out from Orangewheels prices. Always worth a shop around. Just looked up Burnley, it closed and transferred all trade to Blackburn branch. Can't remember the salesman's name unfortunately.

Yeh, cheers. Emailed chap at VW Chester and hope hel get back to me tomorrow. Will hopefully hear back from Edinburgh tonight, if not il just pop on on Saturday. He was to get back to me re a test drive. Il try Blackburn and see what they say

Working on 4800 deposit I couldn't believe the difference in price from speccing Vienna to not at all, its like an extra 45 quid, from 380 odd to 427.

Just spoken to a Dan Potts at Lookers Blackburn, hes getting back to me tomorrow via email. Cheers MH

[monkeyhanger]

Yep, the leather is pricey, and retains about £300 when you move on to the next car (all my dealer said he would offer when I was contemplating leather on my last car, he talked me out of it) - a lot of money lost, as is the case with all options (and why I avoid them).

Keep working on those dealers, you'll get there!