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Offline mullermn

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GTI vs R
« on: 25 June 2014, 09:00 »
Hi. Has anyone seen any articles or reviews where the GTI and the R are contrasted against each other? The only ones I can find are mk7 GTI and mk6 R.

I've already got half an eye on what I'm going to do when I've had the GTI a few years, and one obvious choice would be to swap for an R for a bit more excitement. However, there are trade offs in fuel economy, boot space, styling (personal preference obviously but I really can't get excited about the R's look) and maybe other things, and I can't decide if it would be worth it.

Any info would be great, thanks.

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Re: GTI vs R
« Reply #2 on: 25 June 2014, 12:27 »
Thanks for that, Jimble.

I think on balance the GTI is probably the better car for me. The extra power would be nice, but realistically I don't get the chance to drive at the GTI's limits that often so the R would be wasted, and the fuel efficiency would be a killer - the GTI is bad enough ;)

How has your fuel efficiency changed over the time you've had the R? My GTI has got 10k on it now and it's definitely getting more efficient than it used to be - 47mpg+ yesterday on a 155 mile motorway journey.

Maybe I'll investigate tuning options for the GTI instead; keep the same car but get a bit more out of it.

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Re: GTI vs R
« Reply #3 on: 25 June 2014, 23:38 »
Hi there, my brother just got his new Mk7 R last Friday. Manual, 3 door in Lapis blue with 19" alloys which I took over one of my favourite back roads the other day so feel I can share my opinion comparing it to the wife's Mk 7 Gti.

Without going into war and peace detail I would have to echo many of the things that Jimble found.
The R is a stonking bit of kit and looks far better in the flesh than in pictures and Lapis blue really catches the light to the point where I think it stands out even more than the Gti.
Driving it over the back roads it was absolutely nailed to the road but actually it felt like it was battering the road into submission through the extra weight, 4wd and additional power.
The Gti just feels to me to be a slightly sweeter drive, like its lighter on its toes and flowing over the road better. All the control weights feel a bit more natural but that could just be familiarity.

Don't get me wrong I am in no way putting the R down. Its a brilliant car and if I had one I'd be more than happy but whether I'm getting old or not I think I'd prefer the Gti on a day to day basis.
Its slightly comfier (both have DCC), less noisy on the motorway and I think the interior is just a bit more sporty.

To put it into context, I had it in my head that I fancied an S3 saloon for my next car but driving the R has put some doubts in my head as to whether I actually need that much performance and I never thought I'd say that!!
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Re: GTI vs R
« Reply #4 on: 26 June 2014, 20:35 »
Not quite a direct comparison, but these Auto Express track battles compare the GTi PP and R lap times with 0.8secs between the two Golfs.  Although at the end of the R's video the presenter does say the R failed to beat the time set by the GTi, so not sure if there is another GTi lap video

Golf R vs Seat Leon Cupra:
http://youtu.be/4tgdtVhQzJM

Golf GTi PP vs RS Megane:
http://youtu.be/O5hZwUuFX5A

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Re: GTI vs R
« Reply #5 on: 26 June 2014, 21:55 »
I originally wanted an R but it wasn't available when I needed to replace my car. I'm still gonna be jellous us every time I see one, but with the remap running at 280bhp I like the sleeper aspect of the GTI
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Re: GTI vs R
« Reply #6 on: 27 June 2014, 14:37 »
Im no lewis hamilton just an ordinary middle age driver who do 10000 miles a year in my golf with the odd trackday with my sunday cars
I bought the Golf R after test drove a S3 and GTI with pp. These are my thoughts after 2 months of ownership:
1. Most of my friends and colleagues don't know what the R means. Most think the GTI is faster! The ladies in the workplace love the looks though!
2. The car is lower and sprung stiffer than the gti. So ride can be a bit brittle in bad road. If one do go for 19s wheels, do yourself a favour if u use your car daily and specify the adaptive dampers. Car comes with Continental rides better than those with Bridgestones!
3. Official fuel consumption should be better than my previous mk 6 gti but in reality even when I use stop start, it sips a little bit more fuel. I can never do more than 350miles. Also, unlike the GTI, this car prefer superunleaded.
4. No traction problem. The car simply grips on any road surface. If you are not a pro and want a fast transport from a to b, this car is quite a weapon in wet weather.
5. Insurance is terrible. Rung a few places and online. The R cost more to insure than a gen 2 997+F430
. I really think insurance company is just a joke!
6. In race mood, the steering is a bit heavier than the GTI and it sounds really nice with the window down. I also like that Subaru'es flat 4 noise when I start the car!
7. If one don't mind changing gear, the manual box is crisp and accurate. Good pedal feel. It only feel much faster than GTI above 3000rpm!
8. Boot space is smaller than GTI. Only manage one big suitcase! Not a car for plumbers, tilers etc..
8. The difference in finance cost between this car and a gti with pp is not as big as one think. Less than £50 per month for extra horses and torque+4wd
Overall, this car is good enough to give my sunday cars a good run for the money!
« Last Edit: 27 June 2014, 14:45 by herbie911 »

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Re: GTI vs R
« Reply #7 on: 01 July 2014, 13:38 »
I've always been of the opinion that I'd choose a GTI over the R, mainly because I've owned several pervious generation GTIs and I prefer the looks of the MK7 GTI over the R. I'm also not a 4-wheel-drive convert, preferring the agility of a front wheel drive set up.

However today I was lucky enough to drive a friends MK7 R and my word that car is fast, seriously fast. I've spent a decent amount of time in a non-PP GTI and in comparison the R absolutely monsters it. The steering weight in Race is lovely, reminds me of my old MK5 GTI, and the sound is awesome. There is no getting away from the fact it is slightly artificial, but nonetheless is makes a superb noise for a 4-pot.

I guess the only question for me would be whether it is in fact too fast...

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Re: GTI vs R
« Reply #8 on: 01 July 2014, 13:51 »
I've always been of the opinion that I'd choose a GTI over the R, mainly because I've owned several pervious generation GTIs and I prefer the looks of the MK7 GTI over the R. I'm also not a 4-wheel-drive convert, preferring the agility of a front wheel drive set up.

However today I was lucky enough to drive a friends MK7 R and my word that car is fast, seriously fast. I've spent a decent amount of time in a non-PP GTI and in comparison the R absolutely monsters it. The steering weight in Race is lovely, reminds me of my old MK5 GTI, and the sound is awesome. There is no getting away from the fact it is slightly artificial, but nonetheless is makes a superb noise for a 4-pot.

I guess the only question for me would be whether it is in fact too fast...

It can never be too fast  :evil:

I kind of regret not waiting 6 months for an R especially when I saw the starting price which is not that far off the GTI PP. However if i did order one I would still frequent this forum rather than some of the muppets who hang about the R forum  :angry: :angry:

http://www.rforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=6108&sid=b2c2839c1af6eb9d062b9366609d5c37

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Re: GTI vs R
« Reply #9 on: 01 July 2014, 14:26 »
Yeah, I saw that thread too!
I do tend to avoid that forum, it used to be quite good but is generally just a "I can afford a Rolls Royce and a mansion but really want a Golf so I'll have to have the biggest baddest one money can buy and all else is in the range is insignificant"
Admittedly it's only one or two on the mk7 board and in the bad old days of this forum they'd have been slaughtered if they'd been on here! But it's enough to keep me away and if that's the mentality of Golf owners nowadays then it'll be a SEAT for me from now on!

Anyway, to the OP: Yes, the R is a better car, it's' bound to be with 4WD and 300 bhp.
But the GTI is still a very good car for what it is and subjectively looks slightly prettier to most people.

The GTI has 258 lb ft of torque vs about 280 for the R so when you factor the weight and 4WD losses it's quite similar, so then there's just the small matter of 80/70bhp?  :whistle:
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