16v to VR6 engine change

[Gcixxer]

I'm contemplating changing my 16v engine to a VR6 engine and besides the bleeding obvious of needing engine with ancillaries, gearbox and wiring loom. Would I need modified engine mounts and what other surprises would I get once I start, there is nothing worse than starting something and realising half way through that you're missing some parts.

Has anyone done one who would be willing to offer advice?

[tweed]

16v to vr is easier because they share a lot of parts. I think both have to be either obd1 or obd2 to make things easier but not a problem as still all plug and play.

Just get new engine mounts

[VW BUSH]

What do you aim to get out of it?

[snozan]

Am just curious why? There is absolutly nothing good with the Vr6 engine compare to ABF. (besides 24 extra German ponnys), which you can gain pretty easy with a ABF).

Looking forward to hear why

[VW BUSH]

Am just curious why? There is absolutly nothing good with the Vr6 engine compare to ABF. (besides 24 extra German ponnys), which you can gain pretty easy with a ABF).

Looking forward to hear why

VR is a superb engine, its failing is how far it hangs over the front axle and the result on the Mk3's pretty poor handling.

[snozan]

Am just curious why? There is absolutly nothing good with the Vr6 engine compare to ABF. (besides 24 extra German ponnys), which you can gain pretty easy with a ABF).

Looking forward to hear why

VR is a superb engine, its failing is how far it hangs over the front axle and the result on the Mk3's pretty poor handling.

I meant more to the construction You have absolutely no clue how chains etc is before its to late. The smallest piece of crap can ruin it all. And to change the chain tensioner etc you have to lift the hole thing up.

And for what?  24 extra ponys?

If the Vr6 had the same construction as an ABF (on the same side of the engine) it would be great, but all that work...

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?1264409-DIY-Replacing-timing-chains-tensioners-and-guides-on-a-12v-VR6\

I would rather try and work some magic to the ABF then change to trouble If it's power you're after. That's why i asked why?

[Foreveryoungaus16v]

Stick with the 16v. If set up correctly it's a superb motor. However, if its the noise you

are after then go for it.

If your 16v is in good nic I would keep it and sort the handling etc out. You don't see

many good 16v's these days where Vr's are ten a penny, well in my area they are.

End of the day they are both nice cars if you can find well maintained ones 

[VW BUSH]

Am just curious why? There is absolutly nothing good with the Vr6 engine compare to ABF. (besides 24 extra German ponnys), which you can gain pretty easy with a ABF).

Looking forward to hear why

VR is a superb engine, its failing is how far it hangs over the front axle and the result on the Mk3's pretty poor handling.

I meant more to the construction You have absolutely no clue how chains etc is before its to late. The smallest piece of crap can ruin it all. And to change the chain tensioner etc you have to lift the hole thing up.

And for what?  24 extra ponys?

If the Vr6 had the same construction as an ABF (on the same side of the engine) it would be great, but all that work...

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?1264409-DIY-Replacing-timing-chains-tensioners-and-guides-on-a-12v-VR6\

I would rather try and work some magic to the ABF then change to trouble If it's power you're after. That's why i asked why?

That is why I asked the question as well
Its at least £350/400 to breathe a real 25 bhp onto the ABF and lot of garage time, a VR swap is the cost of the donor car/engine + chains if you want to do them, maybe £450 and a day or two in the garage.
I take vortex with a pinch of salt, VR chains are not that bad to do you just have to be a bit less monkey than most

[tweed]

Thing is you can get the vr up to 195bhp just as easy.

[sharki786]

Thing is you can get the vr up to 195bhp just as easy.

how? What mods are required?