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Offline knobby

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Re: Brown pants moments.
« Reply #10 on: 06 September 2005, 16:08 »
You cannot compare a sh1tty Citroën to a German made VW Golf!  :tongue:

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Re: Brown pants moments.
« Reply #11 on: 06 September 2005, 19:18 »
GRRR fetch your sh!tron to donnington and we'll see what handles better :D :D  thats the VW rant over! :tongue:

Been there a few times most mornings actually! looking out of the side window front wheels scrabbling on opp lock and just power sliding into the car park at work love it not as good as a rear wheel drive car though  :wink:  :cool: :cool: :cool: :grin:

So slidey slidey problems...... your supposed to grin and give full opp lock then blip the throttle and keep it going for sheer grin factor!!!
 If you don't like that kinda thing then I'd ignore your brake bias valve and stop braking in corners it's lethal! brake in a straight line and then power out at the apex when you can see the exit outbraking and out cornering people is fun and safer!!!

First I'd be looking down the lines of rear tyres both the same tyres is the tread ok on them, any wearing on either side, tyre pressures ok? 

Apparently the golf mk2 is prone to chassis flex causing a slide on cornering whereas some other girder built cars may lift a wheel on hard cornering. you can stiffen it all up by fitting a rear anti roll bar but I have heard it makes them even more tailhappy!

Check your rear shock mounts, bushes and shockers etc as these make such a difference to handling and are a bit of a pain so never get changed.

weight in the boot is a factor as well if possible sub and box central otherwise you get the pendulum effect on corners.

4 wheel alignment may help also front may be contributing to it.

pretty sure one of the above will cure it there's enough to chew on there matey!!! :D :D

« Last Edit: 06 September 2005, 19:23 by monzablue16v »

Probably got lost in the "Great Crash of 08

Offline rubjonny

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Re: Brown pants moments.
« Reply #12 on: 07 September 2005, 08:25 »
Sorry but you'll find that the sh!troen will easily out handle your MK2 round the corners, they are little go-carts :)

Probably wont make it all the way round the track without falling to bits mind :grin:
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Offline Deefadog

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Re: Brown pants moments.
« Reply #13 on: 07 September 2005, 09:07 »
Find a fat kid, give him a tenner (or promise of more food) and stick him in the boot  :grin:

But seriously i don't know mate!
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Re: Brown pants moments.
« Reply #14 on: 07 September 2005, 09:19 »
I only compare it to the the car i driven for the last year. Even my 1.1i Fiesta handle twice as good as the Golf (But did'nt go anywhere just leak and smoke) And before that 309 GTI was better again.

 I just dont feel safe when cornering. But, friday im hoping that will change with alloys and suspension is on \o/

I sold my AX GT becuase insurance was up, and tbh it was in good nick, engine was sweet and everything. But the rattling was doing my head in and the dash was comming lose becuase of the setup i had. Even with the Golf now i would still choose the Golf cause its cruise on the motorway at 80 where the AX is screaming at 70.

  Haha i struggled to close the door first time for the first week of the Golf because of the weight and quallity difference :D

Hopefully over the weekend the handling will be improved x3. I know it will never be as fun as the AX though :)

Offline Dom Mk3

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Re: Brown pants moments.
« Reply #15 on: 07 September 2005, 09:42 »
if you swing the car left then right the back end is going to step out... are you lifting off at anypoint?

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Re: Brown pants moments.
« Reply #16 on: 07 September 2005, 14:27 »
I think its just the shocks and springs which is letting it big time for me. Was doing 120 MPH on this long sweeping corner ( cant remember the name of the track, llandow is it ;) ) and the car was kind of boucing to the right ( was taking a sweeping left).

 Most FWD car oversteer if you lift off going round a corner fast

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Re: Brown pants moments.
« Reply #17 on: 07 September 2005, 14:35 »
Could be rear beam bushes too, can cause the back of the car to do odd things on cornering & over bumps, I'd do the suspension too as its less of a pain in the arse  :grin:
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Re: Brown pants moments.
« Reply #18 on: 07 September 2005, 15:30 »
Yeah sounds to me as though people are not aware or aren't considering the dynamics of front wheel drive cars. Having owned several Mk2's with both standard and lowered suspension i'd say the Mk2 is an excellent handling car.

The rear end of a Golf is really good fun to play with (ahem) and useful too if done correctly. Entering a fast bend and blending out of the throttle whilst cornering will help to adjust the attitude of the car, if say you are understeering slightly/got your line wrong. Alternatively jumping right off the throttle mid bend is likely to yield a hairy oversteer moment. Fun if you know what you're doing but scary as if you don't and it catches you unawares.

The Mk2 is a delicately balanced car (showing the excellent dynamics of the chassis) that commands respect. Lowered suspension makes any oversteer moment a lot more predictable as the suspension is better able to cope with the large weight transfers in operation during a lift off oversteer moment. Thus avoiding the proverbial 'tank slapper'/big whole in the wall(et).

I think several of you may be experiencing a lift-off oversteer moment unawares. The key to keeping your car intact is smooth driving, i'm not saying slow, but smooth transitions between brake and throttle.

I loved sliding my Golf and found endless corners in my locality that were perfect for it. Be careful though, PC Plod isn't likely to appreciate a Mk2 drifting towards him!!!
« Last Edit: 07 September 2005, 15:32 by Perfect 8 »

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Re: Brown pants moments.
« Reply #19 on: 07 September 2005, 15:36 »
It's one of the best handling cars i've ever owned, though getting the back out on a front wheel drive car is best attempted with bible on the dash.