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Re: Golf R 400 full press release
« Reply #40 on: 30 April 2014, 08:10 »
I highly doubt that a £43k 400ps Golf (+ options to add for some) will command great money on the used market over a standard R. It will always be worth more than a GTI or a standard R, but £9k more than a GTI at 3 years old (to maintain same GFV as a GTI)? Just about possible while that car is in the dealership network and they set the nearly new prices, but it will plummet beyond it. There are just far better options out there at £43k or thereabouts – it’s no sports car, it’s a rocket propelled family hatchback that handles better than most family hatchbacks. You’d have to be a very well heeled VW nut to buy one of these over a Cayman or TTRS. Top of the range cars that go beyond twice the price of the most basic variant of that car don’t generally hold their value well. If you look at the Scirocco R, on the used market they only have around a £1500 premium over the 2.0TSI with the GTI engine. A 400ps Golf is still only a Golf, people expect more badge kudos on a £43k car than VW can give, even a 400ps Audi RS3 to the same spec would be the more desirable buy to most with £43k to spend on a car. In a similar vein, why would anyone drop £70k on a Phaeton with a VW badge?

Most people who can afford to drop £43k on a car will not be using it for the school run, they’ll buy that Cayman and have something like a GTI for the practical stuff. If they limit it to 400 units then they will sell them all, because there will be 400 VW nuts out there across Europe that’ll have one, but £43k is too much to be asking for a VW Golf.

Price it at £33-35k and it’ll be a lot more palletable to the new and used market. An extra 100ps can be achieved by remapping a standard R – how much could you add to the RRP by simply adding a bit more robustness by way of a bigger turbo, beefier clutch, possibly harder piston rods, bigger injectors, further suspension tweaks and a few interior and exterior styling changes? £13k over a standard R? That’s crazy money.
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Re: Golf R 400 full press release
« Reply #41 on: 30 April 2014, 09:15 »
I do hope its not £43k and more like £35k but its direct rival the A45 AMG is £40k+, I can only assume it will be priced around this figure.
I think the R400 will not be a car that you can add any options on.... it will just come as one spec, one colour if its a very limited run car...
We will have to wait and see... all I can say is that I am very interested if the price is right. :)
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Re: Golf R 400 full press release
« Reply #42 on: 30 April 2014, 12:24 »
A three year old RS3 is still over £30,000.  The decent ones are over £33,000, so in 3 years have done well considering it was a £40k car.  In fact a fair few of them are over £35,000.  Factor in the the R400 will most likely be limited run.  I think it will hold it's price very well.  I also don't think there will be an option list, it'll come in one trim, with sat nav and such as standard.  It can afford to be a bit over the A45 AMG in price as it is a better spec as standard.  I can see it being high £30k or low £40k and will sell out very quickly.

Compare it to how the RS500 was compared to the Sierra Cosworth back in the day.

A lot of the other R owners are also Porsche owners and are saying that for the money of an R400 you can get a Porsche that is out of warranty with higher running costs or an old GTR, which, again, would be older and huge running costs.
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Re: Golf R 400 full press release
« Reply #43 on: 30 April 2014, 12:42 »
I'd agree, if it is built in low volumes then residuals might hold up.... but in reality... who cares.. this is going to be a Uber Golf which will sell regardless of price and residuals.
I can't wait to see what the production version is going to be like... roll on 2015  :smiley:
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Re: Golf R 400 full press release
« Reply #44 on: 30 April 2014, 13:49 »
I think the fact that the engine etc are all homologated for other cars within the group - i.e. it's off the shelf parts means the price could technically be 'reasonable' for that power figure.
It probably depends on interest.
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Re: Golf R 400 full press release
« Reply #45 on: 30 April 2014, 13:59 »
Everything in the car is already in production in the VAG range, bar the engine which is going into production on the TTRS.  It is an R with a bigger engine.

The only things that will need making are the panels, which won't be ridiculously expensive and the interior, which will probably be a few thousand pounds.  This could feasibly be made and sold for £38,000 at a reasonable profit, which would blow the A45 out of the water.
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Re: Golf R 400 full press release
« Reply #46 on: 30 April 2014, 14:03 »
Everything in the car is already in production in the VAG range, bar the engine which is going into production on the TTRS.  It is an R with a bigger engine.

The only things that will need making are the panels, which won't be ridiculously expensive and the interior, which will probably be a few thousand pounds.  This could feasibly be made and sold for £38,000 at a reasonable profit, which would blow the A45 out of the water.
I'd agree... anything between £35-45k I'd consider it...... all depends on the spec and production numbers.... the more exclusive it is, the more it will probably cost.
I think they should just fully load the car with every option, stick to one paint finish and roll them out... 400 cars for each region all individually numbered with plaque.
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Re: Golf R 400 full press release
« Reply #47 on: 30 April 2014, 14:43 »
Everything in the car is already in production in the VAG range, bar the engine which is going into production on the TTRS.  It is an R with a bigger engine.

I was under the impression that VW would be using a heavily modified version of the 2.0l that's currently in both the GTI and R. There was no suggestion that the R will get the 2.5l engine that's in the current TTRS and which is also likely to be in the new RS

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Re: Golf R 400 full press release
« Reply #48 on: 30 April 2014, 14:53 »
Everything in the car is already in production in the VAG range, bar the engine which is going into production on the TTRS.  It is an R with a bigger engine.

I was under the impression that VW would be using a heavily modified version of the 2.0l that's currently in both the GTI and R. There was no suggestion that the R will get the 2.5l engine that's in the current TTRS and which is also likely to be in the new RS


I would agree that the RS 2.5 engine is exclusively for Audi RS cars and not VW.
I would also say that is now being put into doubt with Volkswagen's realease of the 400bhp EA888 engine which can push 420ps (see Audi 420 TTSport Concept).

The 2.5 RS Audi engine has soul but it is very heavy and not that frugal..... Audi may end up dropping it.. the Audi 420 TTSport Concept is probably the next Audi RSTT and the RS3 will probably get the same 2.0 EA888 engine too.

I see it as follows if Audi ditch the heavy and not so frugal RS 2.5 engine.

VW Golf R400 = 400bhp
Audi RS3 = 420bhp
Audi TTRS = 420bhp

EU is forcing more and more frugal engines.... I personally think a ligher EA888 engine will be much better in terms of weight and handling in a RSTT/RS3 compared to the RS 2.5 engine.

I predict prices as follows...

VW Golf R400 £39,995 (one high spec)
Audi RS3 £44,995
Audi RSTT £47,995
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Re: Golf R 400 full press release
« Reply #49 on: 30 April 2014, 14:56 »
Its going to be epic  :laugh: :evil:
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