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Offline Mr Savage

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Re: Does the standard GTI and the PP remap to the same figures?
« Reply #10 on: 20 March 2014, 20:53 »
Yes the PP will always or at least in most cases be ahead of non PP cars after a remap as they are starting with more power already. That's why no 2 remap'd cars are identical (usually anyway). It all depends on what power you start with and PP cars are obviously already higher. It does seem strange as i'm pretty sure there's no hardware changes though and can see why you'd expect them to balance out.

Talking of which i'm getting a bit bored waiting for Revo, R-Tech and intact every ECU tuner out there to finally crack the encryption and get a real remap thrown on there. Have a horrible feeling that we'll never be able to get a hard coded remap done for the Mk7 :/
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Re: Does the standard GTI and the PP remap to the same figures?
« Reply #11 on: 20 March 2014, 21:41 »
One problem with that theory savage, mk2 cupra starts at 240 and stg1 to 300. Mk6 R and S3 start at a higher bhp but map to same... An exact hardware car will map to the same, if not it's not the same, maybe a different intercooler or airbox, but there will be a subtle difference.
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Re: Does the standard GTI and the PP remap to the same figures?
« Reply #12 on: 20 March 2014, 22:59 »
I thought the PP has a couple of minor different hardware components (the difference is not all ECU)
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Re: Does the standard GTI and the PP remap to the same figures?
« Reply #13 on: 20 March 2014, 23:58 »
As far as i'm aware the only hardware differences the PP GTI gains from the standard version is the Limited Slip Differential and bigger brakes (the same setup that's featured on the R) which of course would have no impact whatsoever on the engine performance. But I guess they must have done something to push an extra 10BHP out the engine as I doubt they've simply changed the software slightly, as you'd have thought they'd have increased it even more to attract even more people to spec the PP. Say 250BHP which would also bring it in to contend heavily with the Megane RS. As far as i'm aware the cylinder head and turbo are identical.

GrahamFR - Yes that's true. Then I guess we've answered our own question that the two cars are indeed not identical.
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Re: Does the standard GTI and the PP remap to the same figures?
« Reply #14 on: 21 March 2014, 08:53 »
Horsepower = Torque x 2 pi x rpm

They raised the RPM limit I think, hardware is the same, its something Audi does with its R/S cars
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Re: Does the standard GTI and the PP remap to the same figures?
« Reply #15 on: 21 March 2014, 10:11 »
7,000 rpm's I remember correctly  :smiley:
Also the Performance Pack has a different ECU model.
Not only does it have 10ps more than the standard GTI, the torque delivery is slightly different too.  :evil:
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Re: Does the standard GTI and the PP remap to the same figures?
« Reply #16 on: 21 March 2014, 10:15 »
we really need for a non PP to get to sharks dyno for some comparable runs
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Re: Does the standard GTI and the PP remap to the same figures?
« Reply #17 on: 21 March 2014, 13:10 »
Horsepower = Torque x 2 pi x rpm

They raised the RPM limit I think, hardware is the same, its something Audi does with its R/S cars

Yes but peak power is produced miles before you get anywhere near the rev limit! My car feels like it's dumping boost from 5,500rpm and the limiter is 6,700 to 7,200rpm (depending on which "mode" you're in).   :nerd:
 
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Re: Does the standard GTI and the PP remap to the same figures?
« Reply #18 on: 21 March 2014, 13:52 »
It is dumping boost. The most probable theory is that the Wastegate lets out some rpessure at around 5000rpm as a safeguard against turbo damage. You can look at ALL graphs from dynoed GTI's and the power/torque go down at around 5000rpm even with a non cat bigger downpipe. So it's not a backpressure problem.

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Re: Does the standard GTI and the PP remap to the same figures?
« Reply #19 on: 21 March 2014, 14:59 »
Horsepower = Torque x 2 pi x rpm

They raised the RPM limit I think, hardware is the same, its something Audi does with its R/S cars

Yes but peak power is produced miles before you get anywhere near the rev limit! My car feels like it's dumping boost from 5,500rpm and the limiter is 6,700 to 7,200rpm (depending on which "mode" you're in).   :nerd:
 

Ok i didnt mean the limit, but the torque is delivered at a higher rpm so the bhp is more, i dont know but its something to do with the revs thats all, no boost or hardware changes its only 10bhp afterall
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