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Offline Mr Savage

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Have Revo/APR ect given up with the Mk7?
« on: 01 February 2014, 19:33 »
I've read that it's a nightmare to do a proper ECU remap on the Mk7 as VW have done something to stop tuning companies messing around with it. Hence why everyone's making tuning boxes instead of the traditional software program going directly on the ECU.

So all tuning companies have been really silent lately. Revo don't even seem to acknowledge the existence of the Mk7. APR said they would release information last month (but never did). So have the tuning companies given up? Will we ever get proper remaps?
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Re: Have Revo/APR ect given up with the Mk7?
« Reply #1 on: 01 February 2014, 19:54 »
I think so. I reckon the days of ECU mapping are gone. I had a nightmare trying to get my Mk6 GTD tuned... VW have made it increasingly difficult to mess about with the ECU. And then there are warranty concerns.
It's a pity VW don't offer an approved dealer mapping that keeps your warranty intact. I believe Ford do this with the ST.
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Re: Have Revo/APR ect given up with the Mk7?
« Reply #2 on: 01 February 2014, 19:57 »
I think so. I reckon the days of ECU mapping are gone. I had a nightmare trying to get my Mk6 GTD tuned... VW have made it increasingly difficult to mess about with the ECU. And then there are warranty concerns.
It's a pity VW don't offer an approved dealer mapping that keeps your warranty intact. I believe Ford do this with the ST.
ford offered me a wolf tuning pack away back in 2006 when buying an st-3 a think they use mountune now for any tuning  :smiley:

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Re: Have Revo/APR ect given up with the Mk7?
« Reply #3 on: 01 February 2014, 20:25 »
I think so. I reckon the days of ECU mapping are gone. I had a nightmare trying to get my Mk6 GTD tuned... VW have made it increasingly difficult to mess about with the ECU. And then there are warranty concerns.
It's a pity VW don't offer an approved dealer mapping that keeps your warranty intact. I believe Ford do this with the ST.

I'm wondering whether VW are on the case with approved mapping following the announcements this week accompanying the EVO R.
VW are very very aware of the massive tuning aftermarket and how global some of the big tuners have become. VW are always very highly visible at the Worthersee show with their own 'aftermarket' looking specials so maybe now is the time.
Maybe part of the reason (other than 'duty of care' with emissions etc aside from bogus warranty claims) they have locked out ECU's more thoroughly in recent years is that they plan on using their own tuning packages to supplement the sporty niche models.
With the M135i and the A45 AMG cars the hot hatch market is hitting new highs as factory releases with manufacturers being more aware than anyone else that owners of big powered saloon cars are increasingly looking at super-hatches to get their kicks as they downsize whilst keeping the kudos of the badges on the bonnets.

VW will be as aware as anyone else of where there's money to be made in customising cars.

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Re: Have Revo/APR ect given up with the Mk7?
« Reply #4 on: 01 February 2014, 23:23 »
It happens in cycles

Don't forget the GTI hasn't been around that long. Plus with lead times they aren't exactly easy to get hold of for R&D purposes.........

It is getting increasingly difficult to map cars but what tends to happen is that the security protocols get 'released' into the aftermarket when a new generation of ECU is released so hopefully in the future there will be no need to open up the ECU.

In the meantime you just need to sit tight  :smiley:

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Re: Have Revo/APR ect given up with the Mk7?
« Reply #5 on: 02 February 2014, 00:11 »
I think they are concentrating on S3/R as would appear to be an easier nut to crack

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Re: Have Revo/APR ect given up with the Mk7?
« Reply #6 on: 02 February 2014, 08:15 »
APR has already released an ECU upgrade for the gen3 EA888. Not for the GTI yet, but according to them they will release it when GTI is in the showrooms of the USA. The new SIMOS 12 ECU (made by Siemens) is already cracked by APR (and it is 1024bit encrypted!) so they download the upgrade through the OBD-II port. So, in a few months your GTI could have an ECU upgrade!

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Re: Have Revo/APR ect given up with the Mk7?
« Reply #7 on: 02 February 2014, 09:38 »
In the meantime AMD have now release a stage 1 remap and the stage 2 coupled with a Milltek exhaust makes 310BHP!

http://www.amdtuning.com/news.read.cfm?articleid=5217


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Re: Have Revo/APR ect given up with the Mk7?
« Reply #8 on: 02 February 2014, 11:34 »
It's early days, they've just beefed up the security and encryption.

Do all these tuners have the permission of the proprietor to alter the original code?

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Re: Have Revo/APR ect given up with the Mk7?
« Reply #9 on: 02 February 2014, 11:42 »
I was told my Revo last year at Edition 38 they have remapped a MK7 but at the time required ECU removing and opening up to directly connect to the PCB to initially turn off the anti-tune. From that point on OBD tuning was possible.

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