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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #50 on: 29 January 2014, 17:15 »
Slightly off topic but... who would spec the .:R with manual over DSG?
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Offline Brenbo

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #51 on: 29 January 2014, 17:16 »
I saw one the other day in a VW forecourt for about £20K for a 2010 plate. I may be completely wrong but  I would say the depreciation may be the same per year but  the final price of a 3 or 4 year old Golf R is not quite the same as a new GTI.

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #52 on: 29 January 2014, 17:17 »
I would go for Manual on a Golf R over the DSG.  I like being more involved with the car when I drive it.  I am also the type of person who would spec Gran Turismo on the Playstation when i used to play it to manual as it was more fun changing gears etc,.  :smiley:

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #53 on: 29 January 2014, 17:23 »
In that case, the GTI is 'better' in the economy, looks, handling (maybe, depending on the weight penalty of 4WD), and tax aspects.

Of those, only two of those are a matter of fact, the other two are a matter of opinion. In the end only someone in the market for both can decide whether the premium of the R is worth it... You've made your opinion clear...

Personally, the whole experience of owning one of these cars is in how it makes you feel. A higher spec car with a few toys enhances the ownership experience rather than thinking 'I wish I'd have gone for ACC & Sat Nav' etc... I'd pick the GTI and load it up with options!

Again, you're entitled to that opinion; however, is there anything essential missing from the Golf R, yes adaptive suspension, sat nav etc. are nice to have but by not having them do they make the car that disappointing.

Many would have the opinion that £1700+ for the ProNav is daylight robbery - even £750 for the Discover system could be close to that when you can buy a more functional top spec TomTom for less than £300.

As for the adaptive suspension at £815... it looks like a lot of money when there was a thread on here not so long ago where many who had specified it could tell no difference between the modes and those without it are more than happy.

I'm not saying that those are my opinions but they are a valid alternative. Depending on a test drive (because to me it is how these cars drive that makes the difference, not the trinkets) I suspect I would take the R over a GTI specced up to the same price...

It is not a choice I will have to make for a few years because I got my GTD as a company car to save me money - it costs me only the benefit in kind (~£150 per month) and saves me putting silly miles on my 996 Carrera 4S and the associated servicing and maintenance costs...

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #54 on: 30 January 2014, 10:39 »
Fair comment Corgi, sincere apologies if I caused any offence by voicing my opinion, it certainly wasn't my intention.

That is the beauty of the levels of personalisation you can go to in cars now isn't it? You can create your perfect car by adding/not adding different options. I think the proof in the pudding is that we see so many spec variations arriving each week in the New Arrivals thread, which just goes to show that we all have different requirements.

I'm sure that I'm in the minority in not ordering the Performance Pack on my GTI, but I've done that as for my own needs, 10bhp wasn't enough of a power gain to justify the outlay (I won't drive the car hard enough to get the most out of the uprated diff/bigger brakes). However, had I not been constrained to a budget, I most certainly would have optioned it.

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #55 on: 30 January 2014, 12:06 »
Fair comment Corgi, sincere apologies if I caused any offence by voicing my opinion, it certainly wasn't my intention.

No offence taken.

The point of my little tirade which was not aimed at you specifically  :embarrassed: was not to do with people expressing opinions, I like to read opinions... it is just that sometimes opinion and fact become confused  :smiley:

You're right, of course, that one man's essential is another's wtf... which results in the number of variations - the other factor is budget as you say...

As for the Performance Pack... for me it is not the 10bhp (which could easily be less than the difference between and good GTI engine and a not so good one), or the brakes (which look great but do not, imo, offer that much of an upgrade over the standard kit)... no the real value of the PP is in the diff, which on a relatively powerful fwd car could be very useful on the road as well as on the track... As a result I think, unusually for VW, the Performance Pack is pretty good value... go and try to purchase and have fitted a mechanical limited slip diff for much less...
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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #56 on: 30 January 2014, 12:28 »
The e-diff was mainly the reason I configured the Performance Pack as well.

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #57 on: 30 January 2014, 13:30 »
Fair comment Corgi, sincere apologies if I caused any offence by voicing my opinion, it certainly wasn't my intention.

No offence taken.

The point of my little tirade which was not aimed at you specifically  :embarrassed: was not to do with people expressing opinions, I like to read opinions... it is just that sometimes opinion and fact become confused  :smiley:

You're right, of course, that one man's essential is another's wtf... which results in the number of variations - the other factor is budget as you say...

As for the Performance Pack... for me it is not the 10bhp (which could easily be less than the difference between and good GTI engine and a not so good one), or the brakes (which look great but do not, imo, offer that much of an upgrade over the standard kit)... no the real value of the PP is in the diff, which on a relatively powerful fwd car could be very useful on the road as well as on the track... As a result I think, unusually for VW, the Performance Pack is pretty good value... go and try to purchase and have fitted a mechanical limited slip diff for much less...

The value lies with the LSD and the brakes. Considering its the same brake set up on the R then there must be a noticeable difference between the standard and the upgraded ones on the PP

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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #58 on: 30 January 2014, 13:34 »
The value lies with the LSD and the brakes. Considering its the same brake set up on the R then there must be a noticeable difference between the standard and the upgraded ones on the PP

I didn't say there was no difference but that the upgraded brakes, imo, don't appear to offer an awful lot in terms of performance over the standard setup... and they are not, for me, the main value of the PP
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Re: Golf GTI with Extras vs Golf R Base model?
« Reply #59 on: 30 January 2014, 13:41 »
The value lies with the LSD and the brakes. Considering its the same brake set up on the R then there must be a noticeable difference between the standard and the upgraded ones on the PP

I didn't say there was no difference but that the upgraded brakes, imo, don't appear to offer an awful lot in terms of performance over the standard setup... and they are not, for me, the main value of the PP

Unless you are intending on tracking your car (which perhaps you are) then you aint going to notice any difference between a car with an LSD and one without.