golf gti vs golf gti pp

[2014GTi]

19" wheels that perform better on track.

Do they? And why might that be?

Because they have the better tyres ... Pirelli P-Zero 

[dubber36]

I wonder how much of all this actually matters. Gains of around a second a mile on a B road blast are going to be negated by cautiousness around unsighted corners for example anyway.

Say the GTI and GTI PP are going for it on the public road. The PP wouldn't be able to pull away because it's always easier to follow, and if the PP was behind, it would never be safe enough to overtake if they were both at full chat.

[2014GTi]

I think there are two many different variables to factor on public roads etc but the bottom line is that the GTi Performance Pack is always going to have the edge. How bigger edge depends on the road, conditions and how big your manhood is 
On the Nurburing the GTi PP is over 8.5 seconds faster than the standard GTi, that is a massive difference. 
For me, having the VAQ deal with slippery or traction situations rather over the XDS system was a big plus.
The XDS system will heat and wear your pads & discs far quicker that the VAQ diff. 

[dubber36]

I think there are two many different variables to factor on public roads

But isn't this where the majority of theses cars are going to spend the majority of their time?

[2014GTi]

I think there are two many different variables to factor on public roads

But isn't this where the majority of theses cars are going to spend the majority of their time?

Correct but the VAQ diff still has the advantage over a standard GTi in slippery or low traction conditions....

Bottom line is that the GTi Performance Pack sits between the GTi and Golf R...... it all comes down to the individual and if he/she things its worth the asking price.

For the money its worth it....

Larger all round ventilated Golf R brake system
VAQ electronically control diff
10ps more with slightly different torque / ps ranges

 

[Exonian]

Journalists have pages to fill and advertising space to sell. That's what they've done and maybe VW supplied the cars deliberately from the press fleet with different enough specs to not give too true a comparison.

At the end of the day a few seconds on the public road here and there are meaningless.

You buy the PP because you want the bigger brakes and VAQ diff not the 10bhp which is only there to give some added perception of value to the package. The Cupra will be sold as a pukka hardcore performance FWD hatch, the R sits above the GTI with masses of extra power and 4WD at a sensible premium to offset its anonymous (Q car) styling.

If you ever plan to take your GTI on a track you will spec the PP
If you drive on slippery country roads you will spec the PP
If you ever plan on modifying your car you will spec the PP

In my opinion if you're going to do none of the above then you're probably far better off with a GTD anyway 

And if you're going to do all of the above maybe you're better off with an R? Dunno, the R is too overkill for me so I'll take a GTI PP please.

[corgi]

On the Nurburing the GTi PP is over 8.5 seconds faster than the standard GTi, that is a massive difference.

It is not a massive difference 8.5 seconds in about 8.5 minutes is about 1.7% or to put it another way about 0.5 seconds per mile ... I reckon you'd see a bigger improvement by fitting semi-slick tyres to the non-PP, for example...

I'm not questioning the validity of the PP, or saying that there is not improvement, I'm merely pointing out that the difference is not night and day, even on the track, more an incremental improvement... on the road you'd have to be driving outside what most people would consider reasonable on a public road for a long distance with drivers of equal skill etc. etc. to see a measurable difference.

[dubber36]

Hmmm, you've not sold it to me.

The larger brakes are going to cost more to replace, so cost of the PP won't stop at the initial £1000.

The diff, does have it's advantages when pressing on, but how often will anyone get the opportunity to exploit it?

10ps is neither here nor there. Standard cars outputs can vary by that amount, so in theory a good GTI could have more power than a bad PP.

I dare say that the PP will make it a slightly better car, but I can't see that it's £1000 better. The reality is, the PP should be standard, but it's not. The marketing men just want to squeeze more money out of those that will be prepared to pay it.

[GrahamFR]

The pp is worth a grand for the fancy diff alone, but we already know that. I was just going to say that the new cupra will have two variants as well. 265 and 280...

[monsta]

Let's not forget the desirability of the PP car when it comes to resale...