Scottish Independance Vote

[clipperjay]

Take out the oil central banks lent Scottish banks hundreds of billions of pounds just to bail them out so whats Scotland going to do, join Euro Crisis zone five years, six years down the line.......
IMO Scotland is as strong as it is because of the relations it has with England and without support as a new independent nation its going to struggle for sure. What next? Major borrowing in Scotland's' central bank who is going to lend the monies Germany Ireland or UK? This reminds me if reunification of Germany going backwards 
What about all those Scottish workers in London and UK will they pay more tax or less tax?
Its funny how many Scott's really don't want to take into account of oil, but it comes up in every argument its not even the crux of the debate.
Policy as usual is trying to get it right and forgetting what was best policy in the first place?
Everyone wants it......... to be over in there favour, all I see is future cock ups and that road is not pretty 

I've always heard if the child wants responsibility then give it without support so the mistakes can be learned

Scotland we have yet to leave the uk, secondly, the UK has been borrowing weill over its means hence why we have a deficet what we will proably never close. Its normal that all countires borrow due the financial system we live in.

People have there own views ofcourse, but I believe econimies are a product of trading of natural resources using a invented legal tender. Nothing more. Economies do not spring from the trees!. Perhaps not a direct product, however econmies with natural resources are able to expand and boom.

I've always heard if the child wants responsibility then give it without support so the mistakes can be learned

Nothing personal at you Jay, but thats suicide in the society we live in this day and age. Putting corporate gain and greed to the side.  Adults created this mess and we now have to pay for it.

I have a cynical view maybe age related or industry overflow, but that statement is not from me, but that's what a government will do just to prove a point.(You can't have it both ways) You damage/restrict our revenue away, and they will take support away completely until the new Scottish government sells it soul back to England or the next country who looks like they might be friendly. Referendums? That is another way of saying lets wait it out really long time so we can bargain a higher political foot hold in Westminster when we make idle threats (That's not my feelings towards Scots, but that's what UK politicians are thinking. Like I said I want any country to be truly independent, but is that just a cliche in the Matrix?     
Agreed all central banks are inefficient! I've always said its an imperfect system, but its the only one we got

[VW BUSH]

Scandinavia keeps getting mentioned.
It's a wonderful place to visit but to emulate it will cost a fortune and require a change in the Scottish mind set I think most Scotts will struggle with in fact most of the world would.
If you want independence then good for you I hope it all goes well but every thing ive seen for it has just as many holes in it as Westminsters Scotland policy.

Funny I've just been talking about this with a pair of scotts and a Norwegen in basel airport, we all agree that a big decision is being taken on unclear and unsubstantiated facts......

[RedGTD]

This is a fantastic debate.
I wish we had something like this broadcasted live with business leaders as well as politicians.
Of course the speaker would have to be someone unbiased from outside the UK.

I know that in the short term Independence may cost us Scots more, I know there is a risk but for the sake of my children and the future generations I'll be voting Yes.
The Scots just like the English are a proud patriotic culture, but our paths do stray away from each other and our populations expect different things.
No matter if we stay with the UK or go it alone the future is uncertain, the Tory's want a vote on leaving the EU, that in my opinion is F**king Mental!!
I don't want your Royal family (the biggest benefits scroungers IMO) and I'm not bothered about Sterling (I'd take on the Euro) I work for an Engineering company who's a partner to ABB, I'm sure they'd find it easier dealing in the Euro with us??

The main thing the people of Scotland should think about is if we vote No, what then does that mean??
I think our powers will be reduced, the Tory's were against Devolution from the start!
I don't want a bunch of public school boys and their rich friends and family running away with all the spoils while the rest of us struggle.

A few months back David Spameron was touring the world, China, Pakistan, India etc.... selling weapons built by UK arms manufacturers. Alex Salmond on the other hand was in China, Russia, Germany etc doing business deals, investments in our universities and economy.

The long and short of it all is you can really trust anyone in politics.
There all lawyers and taught from an early age how to lie convincingly.
I'd like to see more business men & women in charge of countries.

[VW BUSH]

This is a fantastic debate.
I wish we had something like this broadcasted live with business leaders as well as politicians.
Of course the speaker would have to be someone unbiased from outside the UK.

I know that in the short term Independence may cost us Scots more, I know there is a risk but for the sake of my children and the future generations I'll be voting Yes.
The Scots just like the English are a proud patriotic culture, but our paths do stray away from each other and our populations expect different things.
No matter if we stay with the UK or go it alone the future is uncertain, the Tory's want a vote on leaving the EU, that in my opinion is F**king Mental!!
I don't want your Royal family (the biggest benefits scroungers IMO) and I'm not bothered about Sterling (I'd take on the Euro) I work for an Engineering company who's a partner to ABB, I'm sure they'd find it easier dealing in the Euro with us??

The main thing the people of Scotland should think about is if we vote No, what then does that mean??
I think our powers will be reduced, the Tory's were against Devolution from the start!
I don't want a bunch of public school boys and their rich friends and family running away with all the spoils while the rest of us struggle.

A few months back David Spameron was touring the world, China, Pakistan, India etc.... selling weapons built by UK arms manufacturers. Alex Salmond on the other hand was in China, Russia, Germany etc doing business deals, investments in our universities and economy.

The long and short of it all is you can really trust anyone in politics.
There all lawyers and taught from an early age how to lie convincingly.
I'd like to see more business men & women in charge of countries.

Mate,
Tories are business men they are capitalists through and through, Salmond cant do deals on arms as an independent Scotland will not have a defence industry to speak of otherwise I guarantee you he would be flogging it to fund the new Scottish nation before the last brick has been set on Hadrian's wall.
Dont be fooled that a Scottish national government will be any different going forwards. The SNP will have Tory, Labour and other opposition and likely to be voted in once you hit your first national crisis after the honeymoon is over, it will happen, sh!t always happens. You will have a capitalist leader selling off your assets at some time in the future, it may even be Mr Salmond.....
(Whether you would rather a Scott fcking you over Westminster that's your choice , Cameron sounds pretty Scottish to me you can have independence tomorrow if you agree to take him up there )
Norway is often thrown into the mix, it spends practically none of its oil revenue only the interest it earns off of it, making up approx 10% of budget. This is why it is rich, it has very high tax and cost of living which pays for the very lovely country it is.
How long will Scotland last with oil being its major income? has anyone answered this? If Scotland has to sell its oil then its a buyers market and it will have to sell oil in volume to sustain itself, sustain its national health system, sustain its euro contributions, sustain its unemployed, schools etc etc etc. What else will Scotland sell off to help support its economy?
You say for the sake of your children, should you be being more cautious rather than patriotic?
A Scotland joining the euro would be a small contributor, and in a similar boat to Greece or Ireland, they took offence to Germany and France imposing austerity measure on them would you like this? The UK owns most of Ireland's debt now with Greece, Spain and just about everyone else hocked up to Germany and France all dependant on their stability for the roofs over their heads.
The same rules apply to the remaining UK nations, it will damage us too.
It could also go the other way and be a bed or roses but has anyone done the maths? are you well off enough to take a hit on your wages should the recovery take a nose dive? Could Scotland take a hit like that? Could England? Who knows......
We are different, if it means that much to you then go for it We can finally play you properly for bragging rights
The Queens mum was Scottish nobility, that makes her half Scot half German so you can have her with her Grecoscotman descendants
Similar sort of questions apply to Wales but I would not care if the Welsh fcked off joke
If its all going to happen and we split up and maybe in the future Wales and NI Included has anyone worked this out properly?
What models do we have to compare against? Who gets NI
Maybe we do just need to flip a coin to start something, the Baltic states are pretty nice taken 20 years, but I might just get to retire somewhere nice Maybe Scotland