Scottish Independance Vote

[clipperjay]

North Sea Oil accounts for just a fraction of Scotland's wealth, however saying that there has been or is going to be a further £4 Billion investment by the oil companies in the north sea (Scottish territorial waters). If we also factor in Scottish Exports, Enterprise and Renewables (Scotland has the best potential in all the world for off shore renewables) then we'll be fine.
If our Scandinavian cousins can do it so can we.
I think the citizens of Scotland are being treated really unfairly by Westminster and that's what this all boils down to, the media (i.e. English owned papers and the biased BBC) would have our English brothers believe we're all kilt wearing bravehearts that hate the English, this is totally untrue. We just hate Westminster. If you look at the last General Election and the results from Scotland you'll see that 99% of us never voted in the Conservatives, yet there in power.
My company is owned by Englishmen, Scousers, who are just as fed up with Westminster and their London-Centric politics.

All I'm asking my friends and colleagues is to look into both arguments and make your mind up without the media telling you lies.
One of my colleagues stated that she didn't want to produce her passport every time she goes to England. 
All you need to do is look at Europe where there is free travel between all Countries.
And for Westminster to come out and say there's no guarantee on EU membership is rubbish, the EU needs Scotland and it's resources.
The best scenario for England is a common market, to allow us to share the debt, for continued business relations and our joint venture investments.

One last moan, English people do not subsidise the Scots. Don't be fooled.

If our Scandinavian cousins can do it so can we.

Well lets be frank here most of the North sea oil doesn't belong to Scotts or English check yourself who owns a lot of majority shares in the companies!  

[The Mighty Elvi]

Oil in territorial waters belongs to the country Jay. Yes the oil companies are private and shareholders make lost of money. But they pay a hefty wedge of that by comparison to the country in form of licence fee / % profit etc.. for the right to drill for the oil.

Scotland doesn't have to nationalise the upstream operations to get oil money.

IIRC all of the North Sea oil comes inland at Grangemouth to be refined.

[clipperjay]

Oil in territorial waters belongs to the country Jay. Yes the oil companies are private and shareholders make lost of money. But they pay a hefty wedge of that by comparison to the country in form of licence fee / % profit etc.. for the right to drill for the oil.

Scotland doesn't have to nationalise the upstream operations to get oil money.

IIRC all of the North Sea oil comes inland at Grangemouth to be refined.

 I'm aware of rights of the land, but the cost of drilling and rigging is something astronomical, all I see is overseas investment when it could be domestic if the right people are behind it. My problem is corporate political bias where if policies change for the wrong reasons Scotland could leave the whole nation without potential future revenues. Yes Scotland doesn't need to nationalise it, but that's a foundation still to be written and exposed.
 "Better the devil you know, rather than the one you don't see coming!"   

[WadGTI]

Oil in territorial waters belongs to the country Jay. Yes the oil companies are private and shareholders make lost of money. But they pay a hefty wedge of that by comparison to the country in form of licence fee / % profit etc.. for the right to drill for the oil.

Scotland doesn't have to nationalise the upstream operations to get oil money.

IIRC all of the North Sea oil comes inland at Grangemouth to be refined.

Spot on 

[WadGTI]

Well I thought I would give my 2 cents on this subject as one being Scottish and two being motivated of a better life and/or better life for the children of this generation.

SNP from day one has said that they believe they can do things better. This has been the fundamental argument for independence. With 90% of the oil reserves allocated in Scottish waters, the is the assest we have to make independence happen. Not for a minute do I believe Alex Salmond would move forward with this vote without oil reserves.

Taking into the account of the very small population Scotland has compared the UK or to go far as counrties with vast oil reserves...Russia India, US and others. The sustainability costs of Scotland are not even on the same spreadsheet of these.

Do I think that leaving the UK is the answer for everyone...no. What is happening I would say is selfish on the snp's part. You have to ask opposite questions on, how would the UK fill the financial void. No oil taxation (small percentage anyway), loss tax revenue (if you believe Scotland pays more tax than it gets back) not letting Scotland keep Sterling (devaluation of GBP - perhaps causes uncomprehenable effects) and so on.

But the SNP have repeatedly stated that they can not influence Westminster due to lack of representation of Scottish mp's.

What would you do??

[clipperjay]

Take out the oil central banks lent Scottish banks hundreds of billions of pounds just to bail them out so whats Scotland going to do, join Euro Crisis zone five years, six years down the line.......
IMO Scotland is as strong as it is because of the relations it has with England and without support as a new independent nation its going to struggle for sure. What next? Major borrowing in Scotland's' central bank who is going to lend the monies Germany Ireland or UK? This reminds me if reunification of Germany going backwards 
What about all those Scottish workers in London and UK will they pay more tax or less tax?
Its funny how many Scott's really don't want to take into account of oil, but it comes up in every argument its not even the crux of the debate.
Policy as usual is trying to get it right and forgetting what was best policy in the first place?
Everyone wants it......... to be over in there favour, all I see is future cock ups and that road is not pretty 

I've always heard if the child wants responsibility then give it without support so the mistakes can be learned

[WadGTI]

Take out the oil central banks lent Scottish banks hundreds of billions of pounds just to bail them out so whats Scotland going to do, join Euro Crisis zone five years, six years down the line.......
IMO Scotland is as strong as it is because of the relations it has with England and without support as a new independent nation its going to struggle for sure. What next? Major borrowing in Scotland's' central bank who is going to lend the monies Germany Ireland or UK? This reminds me if reunification of Germany going backwards 
What about all those Scottish workers in London and UK will they pay more tax or less tax?
Its funny how many Scott's really don't want to take into account of oil, but it comes up in every argument its not even the crux of the debate.
Policy as usual is trying to get it right and forgetting what was best policy in the first place?
Everyone wants it......... to be over in there favour, all I see is future cock ups and that road is not pretty 

I've always heard if the child wants responsibility then give it without support so the mistakes can be learned

Scotland we have yet to leave the uk, secondly, the UK has been borrowing weill over its means hence why we have a deficet what we will proably never close. Its normal that all countires borrow due the financial system we live in.

People have there own views ofcourse, but I believe econimies are a product of trading of natural resources using a invented legal tender. Nothing more. Economies do not spring from the trees!. Perhaps not a direct product, however econmies with natural resources are able to expand and boom.

I've always heard if the child wants responsibility then give it without support so the mistakes can be learned

Nothing personal at you Jay, but thats suicide in the society we live in this day and age. Putting corporate gain and greed to the side.  Adults created this mess and we now have to pay for it.

[The Mighty Elvi]

Uk Governemt say's "we must invest £millions into renewable green energy because North Sea oil & gas is running out"

The then Scots say they want independence.

Someone then tells Dave that Scotland owns all the oil and gas.

Uk government says " Scotland should not leave the Uk becuase we...are stronger together.."

 

IRAQ
AFGHANISTAN
LIBYA
SCOTLAND
 

 

[WadGTI]

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[Kerrse]

Everyone outside of London should leave the union