Car arriving Early ? Build Week 45

[Jules Winfield]

It seems when it comes to these rear view cameras that common sense goes straight out the window. So cancel the order and potentially wait a further 24 weeks for one with a camera that will cost you far in excess of the £165  . The world had truly gone mad

It may not have any value to you, but to someone else it may be a very valuable and useful addition to their car.  Their priorities may be different to yours.  There's nothing wrong with that.  Last time I checked, having differing opinions is not a crime.

If you're spending a load of money on a car, what's wrong with getting the specification spot on, especially if you plan on keeping it for a good few years?

What is it with this rear view camera!!!
Had a rear camera on my edition 35. WOULD NOT bother again
Every time it operated I still looked  behind to check

So, because you think it's useless, everyone else should too?

[monkeyhanger]

MM087:

Not sure what you’re saying there. Has the APR dropped to 5.9% from 6.3% anyway, or only on the replacement order should you choose not to take what you ordered. A 0.4% APR saving is probably going to save you around £6 a month in interest on average.  What has the GFV dropped to as either a value or % of RRP?

The order form might say March, but if it’s been built early and VW UK force the dealership to take it when it is ready and their terms mean that the dealership have to pay for it within 50 days of receiving it, and initial estimated build date supplied by VW tied in well with your plans then I would lay all blame at the door of VW UK. The dealership are in an awkward position – either they pay VW UK for your car out of their own pocket and hold it for 4/6 weeks before finally getting your money for it, or it becomes a stock car and they order you another on renegotiated terms. Have they said outright that they wouldn’t honour the terms of the deal struck if they had to order another one to suit your timeframe? They don’t have to. They’re not obliged to sell you a car, they can just give you your deposit back and send you on your way if they think they’ll make more money from another customer by offering less of a deal.

If you’re not back in the country until Feb anyway then I can’t see how they can make you take it earlier than that (which still may be beyond 50 days from delivery to the dealer) – you have to be there to pick it up. Might be possible for a relative to pick it up as an extra named driver on the complimentary 7 day insurance if you sort the financials by post, but then it’ll be sitting there doing nowt until you get back.

I’m pretty sure the car will have to be registered before you take out finance, so starting the finance early but putting off registration to March 1st isn’t an option.

The camera is a bit of a gadget option that is popular because it is relatively cheap and the first few times you use it you might think it looks cool. The graphical warning interface does me fine. Is distance really any clearer with the camera? Are you having to interpret distance from object by what you see in the camera rather than what the graphical colour changing bars are doing? Waiting for the camera to wind itself out before reversing would probably annoy me in the longer term. I doubt you’d miss not having it nor feel any more in danger of hitting something behind you by having the graphical display rather than the camera.

[MM087]

Hi,

It would seem the APR on the Finance has dropped from the 6.3% when I ordered in September to the 5.9% now on offer which is better for me. I Assume I would go on the latest deal when taking the car so this lower rate would surely apply if I stuck with the car that is arriving early.

GFV Was: £14,006.70 Now £13,726.57 (As of 27/10)

In all honesty due to the deal I got, Its extremely unlikely to bettered/matched elsewhere without the hassle of having to go through a new ordering process and having spoken to 10+ dealers since this started nobody is coming close not even Drive the Deal etc.
They have outright said they can't do the same deal, because they did the deal on the current order based on their targets/bonus etc and took a hit on the deal to secure a sale and get their bonus. They are in a better position this quarter and don't need to make an offer like that now hence the offer to fully return my deposit.

Im going to speak to the VW office again and see if they can come to an arrangement regarding this 50 day thing, because when we last spoke the person said they weren't even sure if this was a VW thing or not and would look to get it sorted for me.

[CraigW]

It seems when it comes to these rear view cameras that common sense goes straight out the window. So cancel the order and potentially wait a further 24 weeks for one with a camera that will cost you far in excess of the £165  . The world had truly gone mad

It may not have any value to you, but to someone else it may be a very valuable and useful addition to their car.  Their priorities may be different to yours.  There's nothing wrong with that.  Last time I checked, having differing opinions is not a crime.

If you're spending a load of money on a car, what's wrong with getting the specification spot on, especially if you plan on keeping it for a good few years?

What is it with this rear view camera!!!
Had a rear camera on my edition 35. WOULD NOT bother again
Every time it operated I still looked  behind to check

So, because you think it's useless, everyone else should too?

Unless you have a bad back or some medical condition that prevents you from looking behind then its a complete gimmick. You would potentially delay your order by 6 months and spend an extra £1600 for the privilege. Get real!

[monkeyhanger]

MM087:

You get the deal in force with VW finance when you pick the car up. For those that ordered in April and bought the service pack, only for it to subsequently drop in the meantime should have paid out on the newer and lower price. If you got a finance summary example at 6.3% when ordering and then get a fresh one on pick-up with the 5.9% terms (including lower GFV), you will get the 5.9% one because the 6.3% terms won’t be available any more. You won’t lose out on the GFV drop – the car will be worth £280.13 less (at minimum if all you get is GFV, worst case scenario), but you’ll have saved about that in the lower APR. Did VW engineer the GFV change that way when they might have felt obliged to drop their APR rates due to the competition being lower? Probably, more people buy a new VW on Solutions than don’t, especially at the higher cost end.

Maybe between the plates VW has decided to lower the APR (German customers were getting 1.8% APR a short while back and our base rate is a lot lower than their right now) to tempt people to order a car who may have otherwise been putting it off.

While GTI/GTD deliveries are backed up and demand is exceeding supply, the dealers won’t be giving anything away that they don’t need to. They have their GTI/GTD sales sewn up for the next 5 months, and then there’ll be the rush for the new plate to keep them going.

If you are compelled to take your car in Jan and if you can’t come acoross a deal that is within £1000 (in your favour) of your current deal then you’ll be losing out. Despite the new plate, in 3 years time a late 63 won’t be worth more than a grand less than a March 14 plate example.

[monkeyhanger]

GFV does seem to have dropped a smidge (about £61 on a 5 door GTD since I got mine), but it seems in both the GTI and GTD that the 5 door version holds 1.2% more of sticker price than the 3 door version.

The GFV price differential between 3 and 5 door versions of either the GTI or GTD at 3 years old is larger than the new price differential between 3 doors and 5 doors. 5 doors can therefore be seen as a “free” option over the 3 door version.

GTI cost of going 5 door = £655, GFV gap = £662.72
GTD cost of going 5 door = £655, GFV gap = £684.16

[Gnasher]

It seems when it comes to these rear view cameras that common sense goes straight out the window. So cancel the order and potentially wait a further 24 weeks for one with a camera that will cost you far in excess of the £165  . The world had truly gone mad

It may not have any value to you, but to someone else it may be a very valuable and useful addition to their car.  Their priorities may be different to yours.  There's nothing wrong with that.  Last time I checked, having differing opinions is not a crime.

If you're spending a load of money on a car, what's wrong with getting the specification spot on, especially if you plan on keeping it for a good few years?

What is it with this rear view camera!!!
Had a rear camera on my edition 35. WOULD NOT bother again
Every time it operated I still looked  behind to check

So, because you think it's useless, everyone else should too?

Unless you have a bad back or some medical condition that prevents you from looking behind then its a complete gimmick. You would potentially delay your order by 6 months and spend an extra £1600 for the privilege. Get real!

I think you all ought to realise that this guys initial issue is that he can't take delivery in January if his car is built early (same situation as me and my car is ordered for delivery in March but the dealer assures me it's going to be here for Christmas as I've got to arrange shipping the car overseas).

At the end of the day it's his choice and some of the (quite frankly) rude replies are not what I thought this forum was all about. I personally added the rear view camera to my order around a week after I initially ordered and it's only going to cost me whatever the option costs. I think the OP is just attempting to see what his situation is regarding early delivery/reordering etc. and it's implications - remember his dealer is saying that the car has to be delivered by the end of January but he can't collect until February and would like to collect in March.

If you've not got anything constructive to add which will actually aid the OP, then perhaps go look up some other threads as it seems to be getting close to trolling to me!

[CraigW]

I think you all ought to realise that this guys initial issue is that he can't take delivery in January if his car is built early (same situation as me and my car is ordered for delivery in March but the dealer assures me it's going to be here for Christmas as I've got to arrange shipping the car overseas).

At the end of the day it's his choice and some of the (quite frankly) rude replies are not what I thought this forum was all about. I personally added the rear view camera to my order around a week after I initially ordered and it's only going to cost me whatever the option costs. I think the OP is just attempting to see what his situation is regarding early delivery/reordering etc. and it's implications - remember his dealer is saying that the car has to be delivered by the end of January but he can't collect until February and would like to collect in March.

If you've not got anything constructive to add which will actually aid the OP, then perhaps go look up some other threads as it seems to be getting close to trolling to me!
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If the key issue for the OP is not being in a position to collect before April then i can fully appreciate that. My astonishment is people who are willing to wait an extrordinary length of time for a component that, lets face it, will not make a jot of difference to the overall driving experience. How often do you have your car in reverse, 30 seconds a day if that?

Of course people are entitled to choose whatever options they wish. It's been extremely unfortunate for those that had already ordered the car with the camera to then be told they can't have it due to shortages. However, to consider cancelling your order on the basis of a camera just seems crazy IMO. Yes, if it was a shortage of auto boxes or Performance packs that would really have an impact on your driving experience then i can fully understand the decision to cancel.

If there is any way the OP could collect the car early then they should as they have negotiated a fantastic discount and when you drive the car and realise how good it is going forward  you will quickly forget about the reverse camera.

p.s. there is a clear difference between trolling and voicing an opinion

 

[Whiteshirt]

It seems when it comes to these rear view cameras that common sense goes straight out the window. So cancel the order and potentially wait a further 24 weeks for one with a camera that will cost you far in excess of the £165  . The world had truly gone mad

It may not have any value to you, but to someone else it may be a very valuable and useful addition to their car.  Their priorities may be different to yours.  There's nothing wrong with that.  Last time I checked, having differing opinions is not a crime.

If you're spending a load of money on a car, what's wrong with getting the specification spot on, especially if you plan on keeping it for a good few years?

What is it with this rear view camera!!!
Had a rear camera on my edition 35. WOULD NOT bother again
Every time it operated I still looked  behind to check

So, because you think it's useless, everyone else should too?

Unless you have a bad back or some medical condition that prevents you from looking behind then its a complete gimmick. You would potentially delay your order by 6 months and spend an extra £1600 for the privilege. Get real!

I think you all ought to realise that this guys initial issue is that he can't take delivery in January if his car is built early (same situation as me and my car is ordered for delivery in March but the dealer assures me it's going to be here for Christmas as I've got to arrange shipping the car overseas).

At the end of the day it's his choice and some of the (quite frankly) rude replies are not what I thought this forum was all about. I personally added the rear view camera to my order around a week after I initially ordered and it's only going to cost me whatever the option costs. I think the OP is just attempting to see what his situation is regarding early delivery/reordering etc. and it's implications - remember his dealer is saying that the car has to be delivered by the end of January but he can't collect until February and would like to collect in March.

If you've not got anything constructive to add which will actually aid the OP, then perhaps go look up some other threads as it seems to be getting close to trolling to me!

A constructive comment was "Had it on my Edition 35. Would not bother again. Every time it operated I still looked behind"  I have a bad back!!

[MM087]

Hmmmm ... Some interesting comments.

I would only have considered cancelling if the same order was on the table + the cost of the option not additional £1600 that would be mental.

The timing of its arrival is an inconvenience but Im hopeful we can arrange something in order for me to get it on a 14 Plate.

In anycase Im just going to take this car as I specced it, was happy with it and the deal and should also benefit from the now lower 5.9% APR compared to the 6.3% at the time of ordering, but could it work the other way due to the lower GFV ?

Thanks