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Offline Misterp

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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #390 on: 16 December 2013, 13:38 »
MH you're seeing a lot more regens than Mr mate. I probably get one every 3-4 weeks. Mpg drops and stop start errr...stops. My long term MPG from the MFD is 50.3 and that's with 760 miles. I regularly see over that on my commute to work.

Might be worth asking VW to look at how many regens you're having?

Quick unrelated question. With the long term servicing (every 20k) still cover you for three services in the service plan or not?

There is no point in asking they will carry out all these tests and give you a print out saying if it's below this mpg wise it's  worrying if it's above then it's fine. In respect of the regen they said it all depends on the type of driving you do. That's how they fobbed me off lol. What more can I do other than wait for the first oil change as suggested above and take it from there. Useless some of these technicians.
My car went in on Friday and they said they can hear a sound rattle from my front driver side suspension but they can't trace what it is. But cos I took it on on a Friday it listed their ability to investigate further so they kept the car over the weekend to run some tests. My response was cough cough bo!!ocks... More like your too busy to look today so you will wait till Monday. I said when I collect I want to speak to the dealer principal. Not happy with the way I've been handled. They got the car at 8am and they telling me this at 5pm. They just haven't bothered.

Did you make note of your mileage when you dropped it off? There may have been someone off out in it as their personal runaround over the weekend. When my car went in for one day, it was supposed to be back to me by lunchtime (8am drop off). They told me at 11am it was ready, but I never got my lift back to the dealership until 2pm, even though I was expecting a 12pm pick-up. Someone had it out for their lunchtime and did 28 miles in it.

Yep I made a note. Won't be impressed if the clock up mileage they did say they have to take it out to see if the can hear the rattle. Not expecting anything more than 3-5 miles really
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #391 on: 17 December 2013, 00:07 »
2,500 miles in 6 weeks in my manual 5 door GTD and averaging 48.8mpg, not too bad as mainly short journeys of 14 miles of up and down roads from cold starts, that's all been with Asda fuel and includes 200 miles of  use as a demonstrator where it averaged 29mpg :grin: Only had one regen with the fan running when I parked the car and yes the smell and noise would be worrying if I hadn't known what was going on.

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« Reply #392 on: 17 December 2013, 08:51 »
Excuse my ignorance/intelligence, but what is meant when people are saying they have/haven't had a REGEN? What is REGEN? Heard it 100's of times now!  :undecided:
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« Reply #393 on: 17 December 2013, 09:08 »
Excuse my ignorance/intelligence, but what is meant when people are saying they have/haven't had a REGEN? What is REGEN? Heard it 100's of times now!  :undecided:

DPF Regeneration process, the Filter soot loading has reached a point at which it is burnt off Actively or Passively.

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« Reply #394 on: 17 December 2013, 10:19 »
My findings so far are that no matter what journey I make - I always seems to get much better mpg on the return leg.  Even counts for going to work in the morning and heading back home in the evening.  I would have put this down to external temps but it has been really mild lately.  13 degrees - that's almost a summers day for us here  :laugh:

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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #395 on: 17 December 2013, 11:29 »
First full tank of fuel gave an indicated 50.3mpg, actual mpg was 48.3. Mixed driving reasonably gently to speed limits with mixture of motorways and regular 12 mile commute cross country with 3 mile through town. Aircon left in auto at all times. Slightly annoying but having taken it down to 40 mile range only managed to get 43 litres in to the tank.
Generally impressed and 3 mpg better than my Scirocco 170 over same roads, expect that it will improve by a good 10% once run in
Second full tank of fuel gave an indicated 51.8mpg and an actual 50.2 driving very similarly to the first tank of fuel. This means its already 10% more efficient than my Scirocco over the same roads and conditions. Only noticed 1 active regen so far so hoping that I might see 55mpg by the spring, using BP standard diesel. Car is fitted with winter tyres which are normally less fuel efficient but I have noticed that the Bridgestones have the worst possible rating for fuel economy as well as wet grip so maybe that will offset some of the improvements.
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #396 on: 17 December 2013, 12:04 »
Happyhippo - are you driving it any differently to the Scirocco e.g. gentler because you're running in?

On my 12 mile commute I generally get 41mpg during a regen, 46mpg if not. If I take a trip 15+ miles then i've got a good chance of coming close to 50mpg, and on my longest single trip so far, I did 53mpg maintaining 80mph doing 33 miles up the A19 (dual carriageway).

Regens are a nightmare with this GTD - was not aware of a single active regen during my ownership of the Scirocco 140 or 170, passives were obviously occurring very much in the background.

I would guess that the speed at which the oil gets up to temp heavily influences soot build-up (because the car is not burning fuel optimally) and hence more regens for the shorter journeys.

My Sciroccos were fine with a 12 mile trip twice a day for my commute, and the oil was generally up to temp (94C) 6 miles into my journey. The car therefore had 6 miles each way to aim towards a passive regen.

The GTD takes around 8 miles to get to 90C and if it decides it wants to passively regen, getting up to 94C takes another mile – leaving 3 miles each way to aim towards a passive regen.

I had almost a week of 15 miles each way commuting and saw the best commuting mpg I’d ever seen. For me at least, it does seem that my 12 mile commute is no longer enough for DPF-happy driving.

Without the active regens giving me sh!tty mpg for 40 miles every 250 miles done, I’m sure I’d be pushing a 47/48mpg average instead of 44.
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #397 on: 17 December 2013, 13:18 »
Excuse my ignorance/intelligence, but what is meant when people are saying they have/haven't had a REGEN? What is REGEN? Heard it 100's of times now!  :undecided:

DPF Regeneration process, the Filter soot loading has reached a point at which it is burnt off Actively or Passively.


Sorry, still makes no sense to me. Could you please explain in idiots terms?  :sad:
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #398 on: 17 December 2013, 13:47 »
Happyhippo - are you driving it any differently to the Scirocco e.g. gentler because you're running in?

On my 12 mile commute I generally get 41mpg during a regen, 46mpg if not. If I take a trip 15+ miles then i've got a good chance of coming close to 50mpg, and on my longest single trip so far, I did 53mpg maintaining 80mph doing 33 miles up the A19 (dual carriageway).

Regens are a nightmare with this GTD - was not aware of a single active regen during my ownership of the Scirocco 140 or 170, passives were obviously occurring very much in the background.

I would guess that the speed at which the oil gets up to temp heavily influences soot build-up (because the car is not burning fuel optimally) and hence more regens for the shorter journeys.

My Sciroccos were fine with a 12 mile trip twice a day for my commute, and the oil was generally up to temp (94C) 6 miles into my journey. The car therefore had 6 miles each way to aim towards a passive regen.

The GTD takes around 8 miles to get to 90C and if it decides it wants to passively regen, getting up to 94C takes another mile – leaving 3 miles each way to aim towards a passive regen.

I had almost a week of 15 miles each way commuting and saw the best commuting mpg I’d ever seen. For me at least, it does seem that my 12 mile commute is no longer enough for DPF-happy driving.

Without the active regens giving me sh!tty mpg for 40 miles every 250 miles done, I’m sure I’d be pushing a 47/48mpg average instead of 44.

My commute doesn't have a lot of opportunities to put my foot down so I doubt there is much difference in driving styles or speed with the Scirocco. There are a few sets of lights on my route so the stop/start probably helps a bit and at the moment there are a few sets of roadworks that slow me down but also mean more stopping. I also avoid supermarket fuel at all costs as I've always found it less economical previously, I also suspect that the Bridgestones with their poor rolling resistance lose 1-2 mpg.
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Re: MK7 GTD - Real Life MPG
« Reply #399 on: 17 December 2013, 17:25 »
Excuse my ignorance/intelligence, but what is meant when people are saying they have/haven't had a REGEN? What is REGEN? Heard it 100's of times now!  :undecided:

DPF Regeneration process, the Filter soot loading has reached a point at which it is burnt off Actively or Passively.


Sorry, still makes no sense to me. Could you please explain in idiots terms?  :sad:

OK, here goes.  :grin:

As part of the ever more stringent Euro emission laws that have been tightened up over the last number of years, the amount of soot debris that a diesel car is allowed to emit from it's exhaust has been drastically reduced. As you may recall, Diesel motors from a number of years ago were smoky smelly things, that used to bellow big plumes of black smoke under load or when accelerating - this is no longer allowed.

To achieve this, manufacturers have improved the efficiency of diesel engines markedly over the last few years, with better fuel regulation, much higher pressure fuel rail systems and using Diesel Particulate Filters (DPF) amongst many improvements.

The DPF's job is to catch the sooty deposits present in the exhaust gasses which are a by-product of the combustion process. It achieves this by having a canister mounted right on the exhaust manifold (as near to the engine as possible). The amount of soot collected in grams is carefully monitored by engines ECU, as it can only hold a relatively small volume.

During normal driving of the car over longer distances, the DPF can self regulate itself by gradually increasing it's temperature and burning off the soot, thus keeping the canister empty (or nearly empty). However, to achieve this temperature the car must be thoroughly warmed and the exhaust / DPF system up to temperature. On a long journey it's not a problem, but on smaller stop start or inner city journeys, the system never quite reaches that threshold temperature for the DPF to operate efficiently, or even if it does, the journeys might be too short to burn the soot off.

In these events, the ECU can instigate an active or passive regeneration or regen. With a passive regen, the DPF will during the normal course of driving slowly burn the soot off - you the driver rarely notice much when a passive regen happens.

With an active regen, the ECU significantly raises the exhaust temperature to over 900°C to get the DPF to temperature ASAP. During this cycle, auto stop / start will be cancelled and the engine revs will rise to approx 1000rpm, in an attempt to keep the DPF at this high temperature. Once regen has completed, the stop / start is re-activated and the revs fall back to about 800rpm. If the regen ends near the very end of a journey or if it's still in progress when the car is switched off, due to the very high under bonnet temperatures, the cooling fan will run on after the ignition has been switched off to cool the engine bay down.

If you consistently do journeys that are too small to allow even an active regen to complete, then you run the risk of the DPF filling to dangerous levels. Once saturation levels exceed an upper tolerance level (think it's about 80-85% full), the ECU will turn on the DPF warning light on the dash, and the car will need to be taken to a dealership to have the active regen completed in their workshops (this is not warranty and is chargeable). If you ignore the dash warning and continue to fill the DPF beyond 95% full, you risk permanently damaging the DPF and not even the dealers systems can recover it. In that rare event, the DPF would need to be replaced at well over a thousand pounds !

I've surmised some parts, but the above is basically how and what the DPF is for.
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