Have VW restricted production of the GTD/GTI too much this time

[Thornster]

M135i looks like a very good car; it was on my short list together with the S3 amongst others!

I actually like the look of the M135i, but over 4 years / 60k it was around £100 more expensive a month than the GTI (which was already around £75 more than the GTD which I should have been looking at logically).

I also didn't like the idea of having to get winter tyres, the (on paper) fuel economy vs the GTI (accepting it's actual very good relative to the bhp), I thought the Interior was a bit bland, off-set pedal if buying the manual etc, poor levels of standard kit (vs the GTI)...

Don't get me wrong - if I was only doing 5,000 miles a year I may well have gone for the M135i as it does look (and sound) great in my opinion. Sadly I can't get the bus to work if it's snowing so it dropped off my short list!

[RobS23GTI]

I'd encourage anyone to give it a test drive if they're not happy with waiting for the GTI. It might cost a bit more per month, but should hold its value better as its the top of the range.

The GTI is awesome though and if you have more patience than me, i'm sure you wont be disappointed!

[Bill_the_Bear]

I'd encourage anyone to give it a test drive if they're not happy with waiting for the GTI. It might cost a bit more per month, but should hold its value better as its the top of the range.

The GTI is awesome though and if you have more patience than me, i'm sure you wont be disappointed!

Are you sure it holds its value better?  Pretty sure it doesn't.

You are tempting me though!  Just a little jealous you got one in 4 days haha

[monkeyhanger]

Nope 16% total plus an extra £500 p/x on my missus' car than what it was worth (they really wanted the deal in this months numbers!). The finance is at 5.9% which is a bit cheaper than VW too. List price inc options was £33,500 and I got for £28,000.

Spec as follows;
3 door
Estoril blue (£550)
Leather interior
Xenons
DAB radio
Dimming mirrors/auto rain sensors
18" alloys
5 years service pack (£800)
Driver comfort package (£385)
Heated seats (£295)
Sun protection package (£315)
Harman Kardon Hi-fi (£600)

Standard spec without the options is pretty decent for a BMW though

Thats a good spec for the money, considering the performance. What is the sun protection package - tinted windows or an expensive pair of sunglasses perhaps?

I can see this becoming the "screw you VW/M135 (+GTD) owners forum". 

[monkeyhanger]

It might cost a bit more per month, but should hold its value better as its the top of the range.

What GFV did they quote you (assuming you are on BMW finance)?

Most top of the line cars don't hold their value as well as the next one down - you can see this in GTI vs R. Usually that top of the line model is biting the heels of the next class of car up. A used Scirocco R isn't worth a hell of a lot more than a 2.0TSI GT. I would imagine that is the fault of the remappers when access to an extra 50-60PS is £300-400 added to the lesser car.

[RobS23GTI]

I asked BMW the question about GFV as I thought mine was a little low (£12k after 4 years), and they said that they like the owner to build up some equity so as to have enough to put towards a deposit on a new car after the term expired so its loaded.

If you're not sure on residuals, just look at the 135i coupe, 2008 models are still selling for £15k+ for a good example.

I think after 4 years mine will still be worth at least £17k (barring catastrophe).

[Thornster]

Nope 16% total plus an extra £500 p/x on my missus' car than what it was worth (they really wanted the deal in this months numbers!). The finance is at 5.9% which is a bit cheaper than VW too. List price inc options was £33,500 and I got for £28,000.

Spec as follows;
3 door
Estoril blue (£550)
Leather interior
Xenons
DAB radio
Dimming mirrors/auto rain sensors
18" alloys
5 years service pack (£800)
Driver comfort package (£385)
Heated seats (£295)
Sun protection package (£315)
Harman Kardon Hi-fi (£600)

Standard spec without the options is pretty decent for a BMW though

The same colour and a very similar Spec to the one I was looking at, I'd add Extended Storage (for somewhere to put your sun glasses / small items) and Lumbar Support.

[Thornster]

I think after 4 years mine will still be worth at least £17k (barring catastrophe).

That reminds me of another reason the M135i dropped off my shory list - no ability to select an extended 4yr warranty.

[monkeyhanger]

I asked BMW the question about GFV as I thought mine was a little low (£12k after 4 years), and they said that they like the owner to build up some equity so as to have enough to put towards a deposit on a new car after the term expired so its loaded.

If you're not sure on residuals, just look at the 135i coupe, 2008 models are still selling for £15k+ for a good example.

I think after 4 years mine will still be worth at least £17k (barring catastrophe).

£12K after 4 years isn’t bad vs £13.5k after 3 years on a GTI.
Will a GTI depreciate £1500 in year 4? Yes it will
Those used prices quoted – forecourt or private sale? If forecourt then I would reckon a 5 year old £15k car would attract about £12k in p/x. That’s not bad going – GFV is generally a hugely cautious valuation for the future. Seems to me that residuals for GTI and M135i are pretty similar, maybe £500 in it either way after 4 or 5 years.
You might be thinking slightly optimistically to get £17k after 4 years, even on a private sale, maybe £14k (15% more than GFV). £16k after 3 years is probably more likely in p/x value towards your next car.

[drisser]

I asked BMW the question about GFV as I thought mine was a little low (£12k after 4 years), and they said that they like the owner to build up some equity so as to have enough to put towards a deposit on a new car after the term expired so its loaded.

If you're not sure on residuals, just look at the 135i coupe, 2008 models are still selling for £15k+ for a good example.

I think after 4 years mine will still be worth at least £17k (barring catastrophe).

Hmm dont agree with the comment  135 coupe residuals.  I have a 330 Ci currently and looked to change to a 135i coupe about a month or so ago, 09 plate, decent spec at Sytner BMW it was jsut under £15k and they knocked a grand off without me blinking..  Thats said its a great guy for half cost of M135

The problem is the used market hates 6 cyl motors now and when I looked at PCP for the M135i, the GFV after 3 years was lower than the GTi despite costing more to buy. 

I love BMW's especially 6 cyl, but am sure the M135i will be something that most regular punters wont touch unless its from BMW and with a warranty, even if most of us know nothing will probably go wrong.