Author Topic: Have VW restricted production of the GTD/GTI too much this time  (Read 31473 times)

Offline monkeyhanger

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The delays are completely self-made by VW via their allocation system to engineer a demand which exceeds supply. If you were to order a Golf GT or SE right now you'd have it within 12 weeks. I find it difficult to believe that any of the limited GTI/GTD specific parts are in short supply (Wheels/Seats/Engines/internal and external trim). The system of long waits for a GTI/GTD is nothing VW could'nt fix immediately if it wanted to.
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Offline johanr77

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I ordered mine on the 3rd of June and it's still at the order processing stage, was told when I ordered it while the couldn't guarantee September they were more than confident it would be at the dealership by at the latest the last week of the month. When I chased them up last week asking what the script was got given the order number and a url which is when I found out they haven't even got it booked in to production yet. Reading what a lot of others have said it's looking very likely I'll be lucky to see mine even a month after I'm supposed to.

Weird thing is when I ordered my mk6 I was told by the dealer I had a 5 month wait, the car turned up two months early and they had no idea what was going on when the transporter was trying to offload it to them. So I'm less than confident in any assessment that the dealer gives me now. Little pissed off with myself because I'd gotten a good deal on a 120d and I'm sure that wouldn't take 4-5 months but I wanted to stick with the golf because I like them, definitely give it more thought next time I change car.

Offline Kingsley

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I ordered a GTD early July and my dealer called me last week to say that early October (or even earlier) is the likelyhood. Sounds like he's telling me porkies, I haven't tracked it yet.

Do you think there is any correlation between ordering via a broker and having a longer wait than ordering direct from dealer? Again, the salesmen will spin you the yarn about broker orders going to the back of the queue, but it seems to me that all orders are delayed.
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Offline johanr77

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I got prices from brokers and dealers, as there was not a lot in it and the dealer matched the brokers price in the end plus some other incentives I went with the dealer. Both were quoting middle to end of September to me when I was getting quotes, the dealer is still suggesting that should be ok but having heard the rear view camera is causing problems and that's on my order I'm pessimistic I'll see the car in September, be lucky if I see it in October going on what others are experiencing.

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I ordered a GTD early July and my dealer called me last week to say that early October (or even earlier) is the likelyhood. Sounds like he's telling me porkies, I haven't tracked it yet.

Do you think there is any correlation between ordering via a broker and having a longer wait than ordering direct from dealer? Again, the salesmen will spin you the yarn about broker orders going to the back of the queue, but it seems to me that all orders are delayed.

Depends on the dealer. If he’s got lots of unused allocation then you may well get it quite early. If he hasn’t then you won’t. To get their commission sooner rather than later I suspect DTD and other brokers hunt around for a dealer that has plenty of allocation left so that you get your car (and he gets his commission) sooner rather than later.
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Offline DougL

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To get their commission sooner rather than later I suspect DTD and other brokers hunt around for a dealer that has plenty of allocation left so that you get your car (and he gets his commission) sooner rather than later.

I doubt that DTD are bothered about waiting for their commission, as they do a huge amount of business. When I ordered from them (don't forget free delivery is included) they rang me and said, "You'll be hearing from the dealer closest to you on our books in the next couple of days." Exactly what happened, dealer down the road from me. I also know that they have links to a dealer in Kent and elsewhere, judging what has been posted on here.
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Offline monkeyhanger

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To get their commission sooner rather than later I suspect DTD and other brokers hunt around for a dealer that has plenty of allocation left so that you get your car (and he gets his commission) sooner rather than later.

I doubt that DTD are bothered about waiting for their commission, as they do a huge amount of business. When I ordered from them (don't forget free delivery is included) they rang me and said, "You'll be hearing from the dealer closest to you on our books in the next couple of days." Exactly what happened, dealer down the road from me. I also know that they have links to a dealer in Kent and elsewhere, judging what has been posted on here.

The ability of brokers to get shorter build date waits than the rest of us in general does seem to suggest that they target dealerships with unused allocation, and they just so happen to use the nearest dealership to you that fits that criteria. Getting your VW via broker from your closest dealership may just be a coincidence. Perhaps your local dealership hasn’t sold anywhere near their allocation for GTI/GTD and the dealership is able to tap into that to get a relatively fast delivery.
On the other hand, perhaps the fleet side of any dealership (through which most broker deals are fulfilled) have few or no allocation considerations to make and so you can get one via these channels at the standard 12 week wait you would have for pretty much any VW you can currently order which has no allocation restrictions.
There are a lot of dealerships down South that seem to be more open to a sizeable discount than the Northern or Scottish dealerships going by what has been said on these forums (although good p/x prices seem to mitigate some of the lack of discount). Dealerships don’t give discounts away if they don’t have to. The new car market seems to be a lot healthier in the North/Scotland than the South right now, everyone down there seems open to giving a good discount to secure a sale, especially by taking on orders from a broker, so getting the broker deal fulfilled by your local dealer if you live down South isn’t to be unexpected.
I rang DTD up for a quote a while back and no dealership in the North East would supply. I’d have been getting mine from a Lancashire branch of the Lookers group if I’d have gone ahead.
All businesses are in it to make money, there is no bigger problem for a company that is making money than cash-flow so it stands to reason they’d want their money sooner rather than later, that’s just good business.
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Offline andykram

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21 weeks wait for a VW? Insane is all I can say. I love my GTis but I wouldn't wait that long for one. It's a VW FFS not a Ferrari!

Offline DougL

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Dealerships don’t give discounts away if they don’t have to.

Arnold Clark showroom in Lanarkshire - discounted heavily in the showroom

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Perhaps your local dealership hasn’t sold anywhere near their allocation for GTI/GTD and the dealership is able to tap into that to get a relatively fast delivery.

One of London's big dealers, ordered late May? I'm sure you're right.
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21 weeks wait for a VW? Insane is all I can say. I love my GTis but I wouldn't wait that long for one. It's a VW FFS not a Ferrari!

21 weeks is optimistic IMHO.  Someone on here posted a screen cap of the updates VWUK sent to their dealer.  Said minimum lead time for a GTI is 21 weeks.  Minimum!

My lower estimate for my own delivery is currently 24 weeks.  Upper estimate.... who knows? 2015?  (and I pre-ordered in April FYI)