DTUK box on a Mk7 GTI GTD results

[Hobojim]

I think Halfords do a 2.99 can of new car smell.....

[GTI_Jeff]

Probably would've been cheaper buying an Audi TTRS or Porsche Cayman than taking initial depreciation hits on all those MK5 and 6 Golfs

Exactly what I was thinking as I was reading through, why have the hassle of buying something (or 7 of something) then having five remaps etc.

Surely the lesson is if you want something quick, to buy something that is quick in the first place??

[barrym381]

I had the dsg and a manual and they were both crap. Sorry mate I don't know where you are going with this or what information you have Been looking at. It has always been a well known fact that the mk5 engine was far better to tune. Why would they bring out an ed35 after the mk6gti and put the old engine in it? Surely that has to answer your questions? If that was the case why bother using the old units at all. The simple answer is the mk6 was never up to the job of all that extra power and there is no tuning company that would disagree with me. I had 5 mk5s tuned with both turbos and no problems and drove much better than any of the 2 mk6gtis I had, hence the reason I got rid of them as they were far to slow. And my mates car is stock so I ought to know what is what. I raced him in both many times and got my ass whipped. So people that say an mk6 could keep up with an r are mistaken. Now the new engine has updated block to cope with extra torque. Why bother even updating it as if you say it was good enough?

I said Time and Cost was a more likely a factor for the engines absence in the last generation ED35 and R on the basis it needed more work. You've rubbished TSI tuning potential without really saying why, just that you think it's crap or because a tuner said so.

Revo K04 upgrade for TSI yields excellent gains, average gains which are typically greater than TFSI K04 conversion. Revo is worldwide and it's reputation would probably suffer more than others if it was releasing these upgrades so it can't be as bad as you state.

There isn't much between the engines in term of performance increases like for like but the TSI edges it and doesn't require fueling upgrades to achieve it.

Yes I have no doubt that they will have great gains with k04. I only keep my cars a year at most so all I want is a remap and don't want to do any mods like that.
Yes when I got white mk6 I went to superchips after celtic tuning could not sort out boost problem. And when there racing driver took it for a spin he said it felt really slow with poor mid range, that's exactly the problem I had. He then checked the bhp and could not believe it was kicking out 230bhp stock. So he remapped it and it was 277bhp on rolling road.
But even after remap he sayed it really did lack mid range grunt.
So got sick of it traded it in for a dsg in hope that maybe there was indeed a fault with it. Needless to say I buy brand new cars so I could not test drive it. So I again took it celtic tuning and they manged it ok but same problem compared to mark5 it was poor. And as I said before my mates stock r gave me a right drubbing with them both. So as soon as the ed35 came out I got a new one remapped and god it was a different world.

a thought celtic tuning done a great job on all your cars doesnt sound like it reading this 

[Poached]

Yes I have no doubt that they will have great gains with k04. I only keep my cars a year at most so all I want is a remap and don't want to do any mods like that.
Yes when I got white mk6 I went to superchips after celtic tuning could not sort out boost problem. And when there racing driver took it for a spin he said it felt really slow with poor mid range, that's exactly the problem I had. He then checked the bhp and could not believe it was kicking out 230bhp stock. So he remapped it and it was 277bhp on rolling road.
But even after remap he sayed it really did lack mid range grunt.
So got sick of it traded it in for a dsg in hope that maybe there was indeed a fault with it. Needless to say I buy brand new cars so I could not test drive it. So I again took it celtic tuning and they manged it ok but same problem compared to mark5 it was poor. And as I said before my mates stock r gave me a right drubbing with them both. So as soon as the ed35 came out I got a new one remapped and god it was a different world.

The Dyno lottery .

I've preferred both of my Golf's with remaps (TFSI/TSI) as they seem fairly linear on stock mapping. I have read people's comments on the power delivery differences between the 2 engines, so this might be a factor in you preferring TFSI. But going from a K04 to IHI will show this even more in the upper rpm the IHI is out of it's efficiency and tails off but generally it performs a bit better than the the MK5 GTI and it should, it's a newer engine design.

If an ED35 was available in my price range I probably would take it over the MK6 GTI, the MK6 R is too much of a fuel penalty imo, although it's certainly moved on with the MK7. The ED30 is a great 'bang for buck' vehicle but I don't like Tartan interiors!

This has turned into a bit of a thread hijack, back to MK7 tuning .

[blueheaduk]

My ultimate plan down the line will certainly be for a remap and likely some engine upgrades. But while my warranty is still ongoing and VW are likely to be flashing the ECU during services I think a tuning box is the best option for now. I haven't seen anyone offering a good Mk7 remap just yet anyways!

[Johnc41]

Probably would've been cheaper buying an Audi TTRS or Porsche Cayman than taking initial depreciation hits on all those MK5 and 6 Golfs

Exactly what I was thinking as I was reading through, why have the hassle of buying something (or 7 of something) then having five remaps etc.

Surely the lesson is if you want something quick, to buy something that is quick in the first place??


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Why would I want to buy a Porsche cayman or an Audi TTrs can stand any of the 2 of them. I lost more on my mercedes cls than I did on 5 golfs. I paid £20000 for my ed30 brand new and sold it a year and a half later for £18000 so I think you will find that you lose very little on any gti's by keeping them a short time. I paid £26000 for my my mk6 and traded it in 5 months later and got £25000. And ed35 £25800 sold it year later for £23500 so I think you will find that there is not many cars that will beat the golf for resale value. Also r32 paid £22000 nearly a year and got £20000. You will take a bigger hit with more expensive cars as there is a fortune in vat and then resale value.

[GrahamFR]

Does anyone have any dates from the likes of Revo as to when they will crack the ecu code?

I saw on Celtic's website that they have several figures for mk7 golfs but after a mate emailed them about his tdi they responded saying they hadnt broke the ecu yet, strange how they have the figures though.

Also, is the group buy £100 off inclusive of any offers, seeing as you can get £50 off on DTUK's own website or £80 off for forum members? Maybe we can sort a better deal with more members to make it more worthwhile? I'd be up for it then, just seems a lot of money for something I am eventually going to replace with a map.

And lastly, does anyone know why the performance pack GTI's are showing a higher bhp gain over standard GTI's even though we know its the same hardware inside?

[Johnc41]

I had the dsg and a manual and they were both crap. Sorry mate I don't know where you are going with this or what information you have Been looking at. It has always been a well known fact that the mk5 engine was far better to tune. Why would they bring out an ed35 after the mk6gti and put the old engine in it? Surely that has to answer your questions? If that was the case why bother using the old units at all. The simple answer is the mk6 was never up to the job of all that extra power and there is no tuning company that would disagree with me. I had 5 mk5s tuned with both turbos and no problems and drove much better than any of the 2 mk6gtis I had, hence the reason I got rid of them as they were far to slow. And my mates car is stock so I ought to know what is what. I raced him in both many times and got my ass whipped. So people that say an mk6 could keep up with an r are mistaken. Now the new engine has updated block to cope with extra torque. Why bother even updating it as if you say it was good enough?

I said Time and Cost was a more likely a factor for the engines absence in the last generation ED35 and R on the basis it needed more work. You've rubbished TSI tuning potential without really saying why, just that you think it's crap or because a tuner said so.

Revo K04 upgrade for TSI yields excellent gains, average gains which are typically greater than TFSI K04 conversion. Revo is worldwide and it's reputation would probably suffer more than others if it was releasing these upgrades so it can't be as bad as you state.

There isn't much between the engines in term of performance increases like for like but the TSI edges it and doesn't require fueling upgrades to achieve it.

Yes I have no doubt that they will have great gains with k04. I only keep my cars a year at most so all I want is a remap and don't want to do any mods like that.
Yes when I got white mk6 I went to superchips after celtic tuning could not sort out boost problem. And when there racing driver took it for a spin he said it felt really slow with poor mid range, that's exactly the problem I had. He then checked the bhp and could not believe it was kicking out 230bhp stock. So he remapped it and it was 277bhp on rolling road.
But even after remap he sayed it really did lack mid range grunt.
So got sick of it traded it in for a dsg in hope that maybe there was indeed a fault with it. Needless to say I buy brand new cars so I could not test drive it. So I again took it celtic tuning and they manged it ok but same problem compared to mark5 it was poor. And as I said before my mates stock r gave me a right drubbing with them both. So as soon as the ed35 came out I got a new one remapped and god it was a different world.

a thought celtic tuning done a great job on all your cars doesnt sound like it reading this 

What has celtic tuning got to do with this? I was talking about my experience with mk6. Superchips had the same problem, they had to lower boost as it could not handle the extra power. It was more to do with mk6 that tuning company's. I had all the rest of my cars done with celtic tuning and they were excellent. The mk6 was just a sh!t car that's why I got rid of them.

[Johnc41]

My ultimate plan down the line will certainly be for a remap and likely some engine upgrades. But while my warranty is still ongoing and VW are likely to be flashing the ECU during services I think a tuning box is the best option for now. I haven't seen anyone offering a good Mk7 remap just yet anyways!

I have just emailed guy about group buy mate I was working all day

[CraigW]

Probably would've been cheaper buying an Audi TTRS or Porsche Cayman than taking initial depreciation hits on all those MK5 and 6 Golfs

Exactly what I was thinking as I was reading through, why have the hassle of buying something (or 7 of something) then having five remaps etc.

Surely the lesson is if you want something quick, to buy something that is quick in the first place??


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Why would I want to buy a Porsche cayman or an Audi TTrs can stand any of the 2 of them. I lost more on my mercedes cls than I did on 5 golfs. I paid £20000 for my ed30 brand new and sold it a year and a half later for £18000 so I think you will find that you lose very little on any gti's by keeping them a short time. I paid £26000 for my my mk6 and traded it in 5 months later and got £25000. And ed35 £25800 sold it year later for £23500 so I think you will find that there is not many cars that will beat the golf for resale value. Also r32 paid £22000 nearly a year and got £20000. You will take a bigger hit with more expensive cars as there is a fortune in vat and then resale value.

I would take a TTRS or cayman over a GTI anytime. Sorry, residuals may be slightly better on the Golf but both the Audi and Cayman would leave the golf for dead even with a remap