GTI Speedo is dated

[Golf7]

No, and if I didn't like the dash well that's a massive thing to live with if you don't like it ( as you rate it 1 out of 10) I'm baffled by your thread.

Well, I'm glad for you that you've found a car where there is nothing you'd change on it. Do you really give every single element 10/10 though?  Really?

However, I'm baffled that anyone likes a speedo where even basic errors such as the tick marks and numbers being reversed are being committed.  Numbers go on the outside beyond the length of the pointer, and ticks go on the inside so you can see accurately the readout when the ticks align with the pointer and the pointer points at the numbers.  Its such a noob mistake, and completely unnecessary.  Was the design not reviewed?  Even so how could anyone make such a massive error in the first place?

Anyway perhaps I'll design my own insert so I don't have to put up with it.

I wouldn't rate every individual element of the car as 10/10, but I would say as whole package it is very close to being 10/10 and more of a complete package than any other hatchback out there. No it is not the highest quality car on the market, but for the money nothing comes close.

There is no element of the car that I think is only a 1/10, if there were then I certainly wouldn't buy one and if you honestly detest the dash design so much then you are completely mad for ordering one OR you must love the rest of the car so much that the dash pails into insignificance, in which case stop bloody moaning! 

(I should point out that I merely have a GT on order, not a GTI/GTD. But I would rather have a Golf in GT spec than a Focus ST, Astra VXR, or any other cheap looking, chocolate box plastic piece of crap on the market).

As for your comment about not being able to read the speed because the needle covers the number..... Oh dear, are you sure you should be driving?!!    If you can read the 20 and the 40, and the needle is in the middle then you are traveling at...... 30!!!!

It is clear, it is simple, it is not trying to be anything it isn't, it is pure class and very tasteful. If I were you I'd cancel your order as 30k is a lot to pay for something that you need to take home and start redesigning once you have collected it from the dealership, rather than being out on the road enjoying the drive!!!   

Class mate, 100% perfect response 

The Golf 7 is the leader and I'm sure will be for the next 40+ years 

I'm sure it will be. Evolution, not revolution. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


Bear... I did get a bit carried away and just because my opinion is different to yours it doesn't make me right, or you right, it's all subjective and I suppose that's the beauty of it all; If we all agreed, it would be a very boring place as everybody would drive the same car. Hope I didn't cause any offence and that you took my comments in the light hearted way they were intended 

[Bill_the_Bear]

As for your comment about not being able to read the speed because the needle covers the number..... Oh dear, are you sure you should be driving?!!    If you can read the 20 and the 40, and the needle is in the middle then you are traveling at...... 30!!!!

Too simplistic.  Is it 29 or 31?  One of them gets you a ticket if you meet a camera.  I'll be using the MFD speed.

It is clear, it is simple, it is not trying to be anything it isn't, it is pure class and very tasteful. If I were you I'd cancel your order

Err, thats just crazy.  I'm much much more interested in the rest of the car and I'm not going to cancel because of one thing I don't like.  And the dial is not clear, not simple, not trying at all, certainly not class and not at all tasteful.

Just noticed you ordered a DSG. Maybe VW should remove the gear stick and put a touchscreen in, so you press D for drive or S for Sport etc??!! 

Hmm, I guess you're not taking this seriously then.  I wasn't aware that the choices were between an awful speedo or putting touchscreens (which I've never mentioned) in places they don't belong.  I see you've just now posted that this was all light-hearted jest.  Well, I was trying to make a serious point.

Here are some alternatives, some mechanical, some digital, all of which I think demonstrate designs where significant thought has been put in.  Not everyone will like them all, some won't like any.  Before anyone piles on the criticism of one or more of these, they are just EXAMPLES.  The point is there were many roads that VW could have gone down, yet the one they picked IMO seems to be "crap we forgot the dials, quick you got 30 seconds to design them gogogo."  I'm sorry if you genuinely think the VW dials are really good, I'm just presenting the case that I think they should have been better.

Rolls Royce show how to do a classic design


Holden keep things simple, yet well presented.  Of the examples here this one probably suits the GTI the best.


May not be everyones cup of tea but Toyota get the elements relative size bang on


Very simple Ferrari design


Jag go digital with a classic look


Lexus go cutting edge


Volvo go digital but simple


VW go very plain


Its not the end of the world and I'm not cancelling an order over one element I'm not pleased with.  But it could have been so much better than what it was.  Missed opportunity.

[Golf7]

Five of the examples you posted above break 'Bear's cardinal sin number one' as the digits are also inside the lines and are covered by the needle..... Anyway I'm bored of this now. Enjoy your new car.