Braking solution

[monkey3]

Hi all,

I have a 1988 Mk2 golf GTi 16v and wondered whether you could help me with a braking query/problem. I bought a new set of front calipers to replace my existing knackered set but the ones I have bought are slightly different (I can't take them back by the way).
The calipers I bought were supposedly off a mk2 GTi 16v and came with the hub, driveshafts, discs (same as mine 288mm I think) but no carriers. The arrangement on my car is a hub with carrier all in one i.e. I can't un-bolt the carrier as it is part of the hub cast.
As I have said the new calipers are slightly different to the extent that the top part of the carrier does not hold them in place properly - other than that they bolt on and fit ok.

I will post some pictures later that may explain the problem better.

Has anyone else had a similar problem?
Does anyone else have a set of carriers that will fix the problem? (I don't mind changing to the new hub).

Any suggestions most welcome.

Thanks,

Russell

[Diamond Hell]

If your carriers are integrated in the hub then you're on 239mm brakes.

Sounds like you have purchased a 256mm set.

You'll need the hubs and carriers that run with those.

[oakgreener]

I think the early 16v's ran the same 239mm discs as the 8v's.

[monkey3]

OK, so I may have messed up a little

I had a measure last night and my current discs and the new ones are both 239.

From the sounds of it, the new ones could well be early 16v hubs, calipers and discs and all I would need would be the carriers to match.
Either that or the 'set' I was sold consisted of 239 discs and 256 hubs and calipers.

I'm hoping it's the former case.

Anyone got any early 16v 239 carriers?

[monkey3]

Hmm...
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so up to '88 were 239 with fixed carriers and '89 on were 256 with separate carriers (as Diamond Hell said).

On the upside, plain vented 256mm discs are only £20 each.
On the downside we'll still need carriers.

The pads may be the same (certainly on www.demon-tweeks.co.uk they look the same and are the same price for pre and post '89)

[molegti]

Post some pictures of what you've got. Early 16v used exactly the same set up as the 8v. The disks are 239 and the calliper fixes directly to the hub carrier. Late 16v the cast calliper carrier is missing from the hub carrier and a separate item bolts on. These use 256 disks.

[molegti]

Late 16v hub carrier:

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[molegti]

8v / early 16v version:

[molegti]

Unfortunately the pads aren't the same either. It's a totally different make of calliper.

[monkey3]

Right!
Call me the necromancer but I've been away for a bit (nothing nefarious I assure you) and thought it time to resurrect this thread to see if I can sort this issue out.

Firstly, thanks for the responses and sorry I didn't reply sooner.

I need to source the carriers to convert the old 239 calipers to the new 256 compatible ones.

Here are some images of the calipers and what's really handy is that they're for opposite sides of the car  . The yellow ones are the new ones, the others the old.







Can you tell from these whether they are for the 239 or 256 discs?

Are these images useless?