GTD build dates (estimated or confirmed)

[Jules Winfield]

I read/heard somewhere that in that case the dealership might get some compo for depreciation of the p/x over and above 20 weeks of waiting, which is considered excessive.

That happened with my Mark 6 - it was originally supposed to be delivered in July, but because VW lost the order, I took delivery at the end of October (34 weeks after ordering!).  The dealer took my Mini off me at the start of September (seldom have I been so glad to get rid of a car) and I drove a basic Polo (no A/C!) for seven or eight weeks.  The dealer principal told me that VW would be compensating them for the drop in value of my existing car as it was VW's fault that delivery was delayed - not mine or the dealer's.

Fortunately for me, the value of my P/X was fixed when I placed the order, so I didn't lose out financially.

[JJH]

I also had a loan car after 20 weeks, my car should have been delivered in Jan but didnt arrive until May!

Oh well, should be worth the wait.

Pushed and got £250 of accessories last time, rubber mats, first aid/breakdon kit, luggage, am gonna push for the same this time too.......

[Bill_the_Bear]

If I may play Devils advocate for a second though....

Being hypothetical for a moment, lets say you order 20 weeks before the first on sale date (ok I know this isn't possible, but roll with it for a second).  Now in this situation the instant you place the order they are "late" as they have no way of meeting the 20 week limit.

Ok, so what about if you order 16 weeks before, allowing for time to build and ship that is probably the same thing.  So what about ordering 12 weeks before?  Assuming about 4 weeks from start of build to delivery that leaves them just 4 weeks to meet the 20 total.

Here is my point, where is the cut off?  For the sake of procedure if nothing else I wouldn't be surprised if they start the clock on the on sale date otherwise all the time an order spends in 'pre-order' is time they can't use.

However, I can see one argument against the above.  A pre-order allows VW to plan ahead so the time isn't being 'wasted'.  But in terms of keeping to an agreement where there is the possibility of compensation and therefore reduced profit I can't see them going with that, can you?  My experience dealing with companies says they won't be caught out by the pre-order period, it will be in the small print that this period does not count towards the 20 weeks.

[matchboy]

My order went through around about 18th April.  This is the date they use Bear, ie. the date the order hits the system.  This could be classed as a 'pre-order' as the car wasn't on sale till June ( ) but its up to VW to work in the build to 20 weeks or less.

Basically, they didn't realise the demand they were going to get, due in the main to the excellent press they've been getting, and also unforeseen problems with production - allegedly.  So for me for example, they would expect delivery end of July/Mid August ie. 16/18 weeks tops.  As it is it looks like 22 weeks.

The point being that the 20 weeks starts from the date your order was put onto the system. 

[Bill_the_Bear]

You ordered in wk16 so that gives them only 14 weeks to get your order built and delivered.

All I'm saying is that if they for some reason decided to look at what later than 20 week orders were costing them, and if they didn't like the answer, I don't think it would take them long to decide that those 6 weeks (in your case) don't count towards the 20. 

To be safe I'd probably get it in writing from them now what they will offer and at what point.

EDIT:
Or to put this another way, where does it say when the 20 weeks starts from?  As far as I can tell both VW and us are 'assuming' from the order placed date, but if its not in writing somewhere they are free to change the definition at any point by putting it in writing.

[monkeyhanger]

The point being that the 20 weeks starts from the date your order was put onto the system. 

I would say exactly that. When VW accept your order the clock starts ticking. If they take orders from BW13 they should be able to deliver in BW33 as long as the car is actively on sale 3 or 4 weeks before this expected delivery date.

Benfield were approaching p/x pricing in a slightly different way when I was there this weekend. They were saying:-

 "right now your car is worth £1900 more than your settlement figure. We will guarantee that equity in the car at point of delivery, and if true p/x price in Nov or whenever allows for a bigger equity we will give you it, but it won't be less than £1900, whatever happens".

First time I have never been offered a fixed p/x price at point of potentially ordering (which may seem low for anticipated value in a few months time etc). With that logic they shouldn't need any assistance from VW for depreciating p/x value as they are giving you less every month that passes and so protecting themselves from that depreciation.

A dealership that grabs your p/x at week 20 to sell and puts you in a courtesy car until your new one turns up shouldn't need any depreciation money from VW, perhaps assistance in provision of the courtesy car (will the courtesy car be supplied centrally by  VW uk, or from the dealership's own fleet?

[JJH]

The new GTD is available to order now and will cost from £25,285 for a manual, three-door car and top out at £27,355 for a five-door model equipped with a DSG gearbox. First deliveries will start On August 5 but, Volkswagen says that many are expected to wait an extra month so that deliveries coincide with the 63 plate change in September.
By James Richardson

This copied from an autotrader article.............

[mcmaddy]

Monkeys dads gtd is coming in about three weeks time so the article may well be wrong as has everything been with press/delivery/prices/options/ordering/everything!!

[monkeyhanger]

The new GTD is available to order now and will cost from £25,285 for a manual, three-door car and top out at £27,355 for a five-door model equipped with a DSG gearbox. First deliveries will start On August 5 but, Volkswagen says that many are expected to wait an extra month so that deliveries coincide with the 63 plate change in September.
By James Richardson

This copied from an autotrader article.............

Autotrader are talking sh!te, my dad's DBP 5DR DSG GTD was in the paint shop on Monday - it's probably finished building by now and likely going through final checks right now prior to starting it's journey to the UK.

[matchboy]

I think what the chap means is that many customers will wait till Sep, not VW, to get the new 63 plate.

Maybe.