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Offline ajmoir36

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Paint wear and tear?
« on: 19 May 2013, 12:21 »
Question is a metallic paint more likely to fair better than a solid paint? because its metallic is covered in lacquer.

I ask because I love Tornado red and my last two cars have been Tornado red but if I were to change I would possibly consider Carbon Grey.
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Re: Paint wear and tear?
« Reply #1 on: 19 May 2013, 12:32 »
I suppose the question is in reverse?

If your last two cars have been Tornado Red, and if you are happy with the way the paint has faired and have no complaints in that regard, then you don't necessarily need the metallic paint to fair better? You just need it to be 'as good as'?   :wink:

I suppose I'm splitting hairs!

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Offline ajmoir36

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Re: Paint wear and tear?
« Reply #2 on: 19 May 2013, 12:35 »
Well I have to admit the mk5 tornado red faired a lot better than the mk6. I am really talking stone chips too.
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Re: Paint wear and tear?
« Reply #3 on: 19 May 2013, 12:37 »
I think flat colours look better for longer, metallics and pearls take more looking after. The amount of dark shade metallics that I see on cars less than a year old look like pixies have been ice skating on them as soon as the sun comes out.
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Re: Paint wear and tear?
« Reply #4 on: 19 May 2013, 12:43 »
Well I have to admit the mk5 tornado red faired a lot better than the mk6. I am really talking stone chips too.

The mk 6 paint was softer and lacked quality - I had far more stone chips on the 6 than on the 5 (and I had the 5 longer). I suppose we'll have wait & see what the paint quality is like for the 7 - if it's pants then it won't make any difference if its metallic or not.
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Re: Paint wear and tear?
« Reply #5 on: 19 May 2013, 14:24 »
Pretty sure the solids are covered in lacquer / clear coat too.
I've found the candy white on my MK6 to be very resilient. Hardly a mark on it in 2 years.
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Re: Paint wear and tear?
« Reply #6 on: 19 May 2013, 14:56 »
Pretty sure the solids are covered in lacquer / clear coat too.
I've found the candy white on my MK6 to be very resilient. Hardly a mark on it in 2 years.

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Re: Paint wear and tear?
« Reply #7 on: 19 May 2013, 15:00 »
Pretty sure the solids are covered in lacquer / clear coat too.
I've found the candy white on my MK6 to be very resilient. Hardly a mark on it in 2 years.

Correct Joe. Even white gets a clear coat. VW paint is supposed to be hard but heard quite a few people say the mk6 paint isn't. Haven't had any problems with the candy white on the tiguan.
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Re: Paint wear and tear?
« Reply #8 on: 19 May 2013, 16:42 »
My Scirocco in Rising Blue has one large chip on the bonnet but nothing else noticeable. If I recall, whatever caused it made quite a thud on the bonnet. VW paint is relatively hard compared to Honda's, my mate's R type looks like someone has taken a shot blaster to it.

When did VW change to water based paints? Somewhere between MK5 and MK6 i'm guessing - water based paints of all types are generally softer than their solvent based counterparts. There are plenty of people who say solid colours get a lacquer coat but i've never seen any official conformation this is true. If it is, then why:-

1. Do metallics/Pearls cost so much more for just a bit of powdered Aluminium/mica in the mix?
2. Are they still called solid colours?
3. Do you get metallic touch up kits that come with base coat and lacquer, but the solid colours come with just the basecoat touch up pen? (I actually think you can buy a pair of pens with one being lacquer, but you can also buy the solid on it's own).

The lacquer coat of most paints and varnishes are solvent based.

I can see why they would put a clear layer on solid paints, for UV protection in preventing fading etc, but the old argument for metallic paint costing more than solid paint was the 2 coat process. I do think that metallic paint costs are a piss take and all the car manufacturers just charge what they can get away with. Would VW charge £250 for White if it wasn't in trend? VW Germany used to charge a little extra for Tornado red (about 130 Euros as I recall) and it just so happened to be a really popular colour over there. Now not only do they not charge for it, but they don't charge for pure white either whereas it costs us £250.

It does seem odd that you can't get any confirmation from official sources that solids have lacquer, maybe if they do confirm that solid paint goes through the same process as metallic paint then they'd also have to admit that metallic paint option is a rip off. I'm surprised it hasn't been asked of them why the UK pays £250 for pure white whereas every other Eurozone country gets it free if they choose it. They can't really justify "market differences" like why UK might get more standard spec than another country or like an option that is chargeable in all areas varies in price from zome to zone. A free option extra in one country should be a free option in all the other countries.

Checking out other Euro countries:-

Germany: All solid paints are free
Netherlands: All solid paints are free, Urano grey is unavailable
France: White is free, black and red are 260 Euros, Urano grey is unavailable
Spain: White and red are free, solid black and Urano grey are unavailable, metallics are 470 Euros
Portugal: All solids are free, metallics are 333 Euros
Austria: All solid paints are free, Urano grey is unavailable
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There are some other oddities - you can only get 5 door GTD if you choose DSG in Spain.
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Re: Paint wear and tear?
« Reply #9 on: 19 May 2013, 18:09 »
Pretty sure the solids are covered in lacquer / clear coat too.
I've found the candy white on my MK6 to be very resilient. Hardly a mark on it in 2 years.

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Not a single stone chip on my 59 reg Candy White MK6.
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