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Offline Gryzor

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Re: New GTI Reviews?
« Reply #430 on: 19 July 2013, 11:28 »
But originally a hot hatch would be cheaper than the current mk7 is really and would focus less on the high quality interior.  I think the Fiesta ST is a better candidate for hot hatch given your criteria above.  It offers power, performance, practicality and all that for a lot lot less money.  If you go for the GTI it has to be because you're considering other things like the image, the styling, the history, the build quality, extra space... and these things aren't exclusive or even all that common on a car described as a hot hatch.  IMO.

I would be inclined to agree, if it's all proportional to price, then the Fiesta ST is a better candidate for a hot hatch than either the Focus ST or Golf GTI.  But, as two cars in the same category, I believe VW have a far more balanced package than Ford do.
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Re: New GTI Reviews?
« Reply #431 on: 19 July 2013, 11:30 »
If it's considered a hot hatch, which it is by many who associate the three letters with performance, then it should be matching if not bettering its rivals.

Truth be told, I went down the GTI route only because the S3 was out of my budget. 300bhp is far more attractive to me than 220, however 250 would have been a nice compromise.  As it is 220 is just a bit underpowered imo.

In that case, maybe you made the wrong choice if power means more to you?  What matters to me is how the car performs in the real-world.  According to the Ford website, the ST has 250HP and hits 0-62 in 6.5 seconds, with higher CO2 emissions and worse fuel economy.  In VWs defence, I'd say they got the whole point of a "hot hatch" bang on the money.  Such a car isn't about raw power, it's about practicality and making best use of the power that it has.  VW made a car just as quick, with less HP, lower running costs, and a far better cabin to enjoy it all in.

Perhaps you can't see past the VW brand and the GTI badge and its the be all and end all of all cars in your eyes. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one as we have on many other points already. :rolleyes:

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Re: New GTI Reviews?
« Reply #432 on: 19 July 2013, 11:44 »
Perhaps you can't see past the VW brand and the GTI badge and its the be all and end all of all cars in your eyes. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one as we have on many other points already. :rolleyes:

Put a Focus ST and a GTI side-by-side and remove the badges.  Just going by looks alone, I much prefer the cleaner, straighter lines of the GTI, and the difference between the interiors is like night and day.  No other car in this category fulfills as many of the criteria that I'm looking for, hence why I have gone for it over a GTD even.

These are forums, I'm not going to agree or be diplomatic all the time just to keep the peace.  Clearly these are my opinions and not statements of indisputable fact.
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Re: New GTI Reviews?
« Reply #433 on: 19 July 2013, 12:31 »
The extra 30bhp the Focus ST produces it struggles to put down if reviews and road tests are to be believed, power you can't use / access makes it a bit pointless.

If it was purely about driving dynamics or headline power figure we'd all be looking at the Megan 265 or Astra VRX wouldn't we?
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Re: New GTI Reviews?
« Reply #434 on: 20 July 2013, 11:10 »
Too many manufacturers have got obsessed with headline power figures in my view.  We all know, or should know that torque is that what really matters and that is one of the reasons I chose the gti, because it has tons of torque from low revs and in gear acceleration in the real world comes from lotS of low rev torque.

I think cars like the s3 can put the power down, as can the m135 but most front wheel drive cars I maintain around 220 bhp or so is the sweet spot in terms of using the power and putting it on the road.  Any front drive car that can do 0-60 in around 6 secs is pretty much as good as it will get.  My 1997 fiat coupe with 220 bhp can do that, so it shows in 15 years of development, the game hasn't been moved on much in terms of front wheel drive.

Headline power figures are just for pub talk IMO, in the real world other things count, like torque, grip, build quality etc and this for me sums up the gti package

As someone said before. The fiesta st or a used Clio 200 cup would do the hot hatch thing perfectly if the other factors were low priority..
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Re: New GTI Reviews?
« Reply #435 on: 26 July 2013, 20:54 »
TR with the Santiagos....those wheels  :shocked: :evil:

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Re: New GTI Reviews?
« Reply #436 on: 26 July 2013, 22:15 »
Nice find Bud!!!  :cool: I'm sooooo glad I've opted for the Santiago's now... They look so much better than in the pictures & hopefully in the flesh.
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Re: New GTI Reviews?
« Reply #437 on: 26 July 2013, 22:16 »
Nice find Bud!!!  :cool: I'm sooooo glad I've opted for the Santiago's now... They look so much better than in the pictures & hopefully in the flesh.

Me too, first decent vid I've found with them on - they look spectacular, I love them!
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Re: New GTI Reviews?
« Reply #438 on: 26 July 2013, 22:26 »
After watching that vid, I don't know how anyone can say that the 'Santiago's' look Pants!!!.... They're maybe not worth the money, but they're definitely better looking than the Austins or Nogaros...(But then I am biased)  :grin:
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Re: New GTI Reviews?
« Reply #439 on: 26 July 2013, 22:33 »
After watching that vid, I don't know how anyone can say that the 'Santiago's' look Pants!!!.... They're maybe not worth the money, but they're definitely better looking than the Austins or Nogaros...(But then I am biased)  :grin:

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