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Offline Ess_Three

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Re: 2.016v or VR6 need opinions...
« Reply #60 on: 17 November 2012, 16:36 »
Some rather interesting, myths and opinions on here... :grin:

You guys should listen to Ess_Three and Tshirt2k.

But then what do I know these 2 powertrains... :whistle:

Hello Sir!  :grin:

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Re: 2.016v or VR6 need opinions...
« Reply #61 on: 17 November 2012, 16:40 »
Hello mr wolf :grin:


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Offline dennis10

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Re: 2.016v or VR6 need opinions...
« Reply #62 on: 18 November 2012, 23:59 »
I bought a mk3 16v over 3 years ago and it was and still is, a fantastic car.  I wouldn't hesitate to buy another.

Although I'm rather spoilt as mine already had Weitec Ultra GT shocks/springs, Jetex exhaust and an unknown aftermarket chip, possibly ebay, possibly a blitz chip that did the rounds a few years ago.

I'd just like to add my 2 pence, as Ess Three, Tshirt2k etc have said, you won't get 175hp out of an exhaust and a chip.  Not possible.

What you can get, with some fettling of the air intake (threads on clubgti showing testing), plus the chip, plus the exhaust - is a dyno proven 160hp ish + 140lbft ish.  My own made 162hp & 145lbft on Garage Streamlines dyno dynamics RR.  This is a very healthy increase over a stock valver - typically 150hp & 133lbft. 

This has been proven to be the case on various RR days at Garage streamline, with stock valvers to provide the benchmark and modded valvers in various states of tune tested against them.

Since the airbox testing, other mods have been looked at in good detail on clubgti, including standalone ECU management and modifying of the inlet manifold and plenum (cutting, welding & testing different runner lengths and seeing how it affects torque output) - all really interesting and something I might look to in the future as another cheap mod

Probably the best mod I've done to date = lightened flywheel and VR6 clutch.  Totally transforms the car into a revvy beast.  Again, so cheap to do and a wonder VW didn't do it from the outset - think of all the costs saved on metal for the flywheels!  :grin:

In summary, get a 16v - a VR6 is very easy to reel in, slow lumbering cruiser that it is. (dragon green mk3 in the tring/hemel/aylesbury area with VR6OC sticker in the back, you know who you are)  :lipsrsealed:

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Re: 2.016v or VR6 need opinions...
« Reply #63 on: 19 November 2012, 09:00 »
Pretty much anything not original equipment.

Emerald, DTA, Megasquirt, AEM, Omex  etc.

Well I have had extensive correspondence with Emerald and DTA and neither of them recommend use of there ECU's without extensive modifications.
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Re: 2.016v or VR6 need opinions...
« Reply #64 on: 19 November 2012, 10:00 »
Pretty much anything not original equipment.

Emerald, DTA, Megasquirt, AEM, Omex  etc.

Well I have had extensive correspondence with Emerald and DTA and neither of them recommend use of there ECU's without extensive modifications.

Why are they "not recommended" and what level of modifications would then justify the use of these systems.
Else I struggle to understand what point you are attempting to portray.
Bare in mind I have calibrated all of the above (and the rest) and do not see a concern with them, except a difference in price, when new.

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Re: 2.016v or VR6 need opinions...
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Re: 2.016v or VR6 need opinions...
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Re: 2.016v or VR6 need opinions...
« Reply #67 on: 19 November 2012, 12:39 »
Pretty much anything not original equipment.

Emerald, DTA, Megasquirt, AEM, Omex  etc.

Well I have had extensive correspondence with Emerald and DTA and neither of them recommend use of there ECU's without extensive modifications.

Why are they "not recommended" and what level of modifications would then justify the use of these systems.
Else I struggle to understand what point you are attempting to portray.
Bare in mind I have calibrated all of the above (and the rest) and do not see a concern with them, except a difference in price, when new.

Ported head, high lift cams, ITB's and Tube exhaust manifold.
I was saying that from what I had been told by those ECU people that unless you did the above mods they would not recommend the use of their ECU's.
Now if you can tell me they are giving me duff information about their own products.......
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Re: 2.016v or VR6 need opinions...
« Reply #68 on: 19 November 2012, 12:59 »
Emerald direct you to a guy in Gloucestershire that will only sell you the ECU with a set of ITB's.
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Offline Metallix

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Re: 2.016v or VR6 need opinions...
« Reply #69 on: 19 November 2012, 13:03 »
Would that be Badger5?