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VeeDubGTI16v

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Re: Best for trackday fun golf
« Reply #20 on: 20 October 2012, 10:19 »
they are all just shells at the end of the day, you can make them as fast as you want.

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Re: Best for trackday fun golf
« Reply #21 on: 20 October 2012, 14:07 »
Oh dear.

Some people need to look at the shell and suspension G2 vs G3.

There's not a huge lot of difference, but there's lots more lard added to the G3 as outlined previously, which is a large portion of what dents the track appeal - more weight = less enjoyment, in simple terms.

You can take a lot of the lard out, but £10 says it'll still weigh at least 100kg more, with no benefit.  And then you have crud like airbags and ABS to render out of it - time, effort and aggravation and potential MOT issues, along with the need to run a cat if it's road-going.

G3s do seem to rot faster than G2s, with sill covers designed to trap moisture on the sills and generally what seems poor quality steel.  Remember the oldest G2s are 1984ish.  The oldest G3s are 92-93ish.  As cars age they degrade and G2s are older, duh.

Stiffness of the shell - immaterial once you have a cage in it.  Who's really going to notice all that stiffness out on track to start with anyway?  You'll be focused on driving and having fun, unless you're some sort of anal moron sitting there holding people up going 'you know, I believe this shell isn't very stiff - look feel it, it moved then'.  It's not like the G2 was ever called out for lacking rigidity.

Wideness of the track - again you're clutching at straws thrown to you by a bloke down the pub at best.  The wide-track stuff all bolts up to the G2 anyway - lighter shell, track just as wide, doesn't look like a blancmange.

This thread was about the 'best trackday fun Golf'.  Not the best out and out track day Golf, which is clearly a G2.  You want fun? By fun I mean cheap and easy to access = fun - G3 as I've said on various occasions.

You want overall best then buy a good, solid G2 shell and a rotten G3 16V and replace the front subframe etc and rear beam etc as well as the engine and 'box on the G2 with that from the G3 and you have a hybrid, which is better than both and doesn't look like a blancmange.
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Re: Best for trackday fun golf
« Reply #22 on: 20 October 2012, 14:28 »
Haha I was only fishing and wanted a bite  :grin:



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Re: Best for trackday fun golf
« Reply #23 on: 20 October 2012, 14:34 »
^^That is quite logical and sensible advice.  :smiley: i think if i was going to build a track day project (never going to happen) i'd rather go for a basic mk2 or even a mk1 although i do prefer the look of a 3 door mk3 to a mk2 but thats just personal preference.
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Re: Best for trackday fun golf
« Reply #24 on: 20 October 2012, 19:02 »
Get a kart. Much better than doing a track day in a golf!

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Re: Best for trackday fun golf
« Reply #25 on: 20 October 2012, 20:57 »
 no thanks on the cart frount.

all karting centers are full of anoying small cocky thingys that think there amazing.   size of driver makes massive differance with karts but much less with cars.   also most karts arn't really that quick  till you get to the proper raceing ones but they cost quite a lot to keep up together.   250 + gearbox karts are bloody good fun tho 
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Re: Best for trackday fun golf
« Reply #26 on: 20 October 2012, 22:43 »
no thanks on the cart frount.

all karting centers are full of anoying small cocky thingys that think there amazing.   size of driver makes massive differance with karts but much less with cars.   also most karts arn't really that quick  till you get to the proper raceing ones but they cost quite a lot to keep up together.   250 + gearbox karts are bloody good fun tho

I race karts. I'm in Tkm extreme. 115cc 2stroke that pulls to 16,500rpm we use maxxis new age green slicks with a compound stickier than most! Got enough corner speed to to pull enough G's to snap ribs. Wear a rib protector and its all fun. I've done a track day in a new Nissan GTR and found it slow!
I don't do sh!tty kart centres, I race in a championship with very skilled drivers.

This is us at redlodge. That's my bro in law on pole. Kart 99  I'm kart 58. Average speed is 61mph. Couldn't tell you top speed.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=boMa0Uu2rHk
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Re: Best for trackday fun golf
« Reply #27 on: 20 October 2012, 23:02 »
Now watch these slow mk2 golfs

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yGW4RJGZTqo

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Re: Best for trackday fun golf
« Reply #28 on: 20 October 2012, 23:09 »
Now watch these slow mk2 golfs

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yGW4RJGZTqo



The golfs look like more fun  :lipsrsealed:
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Re: Best for trackday fun golf
« Reply #29 on: 20 October 2012, 23:22 »
know champion ship karts can be fast.  they cost quite a lot of dollar to run for what they are tho... 

built enough kart engines ( hatefull things ) for the guys that take like 3 engines to one meeting and swap engines as often as tyers.  developed quite a few not so legal mods for the hatefull littel things. we allways just used to end up knobing about with them on the road for "testing pourposes". 

For me rallying is where it's at  tracks are all good fun but give me the choice and i'll take tree lined gravel tracks any day even tho they hurt more
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