ok didn't mean to start the old 8 vs 16 argument at all

I think thats been covered enough dont you?

What I really wanted to start was an informative topic about how to go about getting eg 200 bhp out of a 16valve i just happened to mention that my mate reckoned it would be easier and would get more from an 8v i knew he was wrong from the start but that wasnt really the issue. The issue was how many ponies could you get from a 16v because i was wondering about going through the motions or changing engines

and no this is not like cow tipping!!

Theres always some funny bugar! lol
cheers