lol neiter would i ,its bout 3 maybe 4 miles to trail then the run is 11 miles so you still beat me ,i really gotta get back into it,i used to ride everywhere lol,collected my racks ,there ones you put your bike upside down on with the seat locking in.will do for the time being and for a tenner cant grumble,will get my bikes together for a pic now i have a pb acc