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Offline tony_ack

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High idle
« on: 16 March 2012, 15:35 »
I'm having a bit of trouble getting the idle speed down on my 8v digi.

So far I've...
-set the timing to 6 deg btdc at 2-2.5k rpm as per the tuning guide.
-set the CO to 1.8ish using a home tester (I know these aren't perfect but it usually gets close enough) as per the tuning guide
-wound the idle screw all the way in (!)
-checked the idle screw - the seal is bit hard but present and still a snug-ish fit into the hole
-checked the throttle stop clicks (it does)
-unplugged the throttle switch plug - this causes the engine revs to rise a little
-unplugged the ISV - engine doesn't cut out, but the revs drop slightly
-renewed all the vac piping (inc the blank-off pipes) except the hard pipe to the back of the clocks which looks in okay condition to be fair.

I still can't get the idle lower than 950-1000rpm even with idle screw all the way in. Any ideas?

The only thing I can see wrong is that the wiring to the throttle switch plug has been spliced in the past, and there is different coloured wiring before and after the splice... what colours are the wires to the tb switch supposed to be?
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Offline rob.043

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Re: High idle
« Reply #1 on: 16 March 2012, 16:04 »
you've checked the intake boot for splits and its seals to the throttle body and air flow brick? Similarly for the rocker cover breather pipes?

Mine idles at about 950-1000 but its got a 265 deg cam....

You may find a wiring diagram in the back of the haynes manual which will indicate OEM colours. PDF copy in the maintinanace section.

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Re: High idle
« Reply #2 on: 16 March 2012, 16:19 »
Hmmm... intake boot looks 'weathered', but is secured tightly to the air flow metre housing and tb. Rocker breather has had a new bung, and the pipes seem okay.

However, I have felt under the throttle body and it's wet - looks like the sort of slime that the breather chucks into the intake.... now that must be leaking out from somewhere.... I will investigate.

Don't think Haynes had the engine wiring in it? Had a look the other day and couldn't see anything. Could have done with a Bentley manual!
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Offline rob.043

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Re: High idle
« Reply #3 on: 16 March 2012, 17:05 »
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=189837.0

last page on the haynes PDF has some info, its switch F60 thats the closed throttle (F81 is full throttle), suggests a black wire.

Always good to clean out the throttle body and pipes if its full of breather filth, but its not likely to fix the problem.

Have you got a good blue temp sender fitted?

Offline i_am_me

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Re: High idle
« Reply #4 on: 16 March 2012, 17:19 »
check the vaccum pipes if one is missing or spilt it will increase your idle slightly.
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Re: High idle
« Reply #5 on: 16 March 2012, 19:26 »
You could try squeezing the rubber tube into the isv. If that slows it down it could be the isv letting by

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Re: High idle
« Reply #6 on: 16 March 2012, 20:48 »
Try winding the throttle stop screw back in but then you will need to readjust the idle control swtich by loosening the bolts that hold it on to the throttle body and moving it  out to the right iirc..

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Re: High idle
« Reply #7 on: 16 March 2012, 21:06 »
Thanks for the replies...

Throttle switch wiring - couldn't believe I missed that diagram at the end... According to the diagram, the wires into the connector are blue/red and brown/white - which is the colour mine are before the splice (i.e. the wires going into the engine loom are the correct colours - it looks like a new plug has been chopped and spliced in at some point with different coloured wires). I may take a look at the splice to see if there are any problems there, but the fact that removing the plug makes the revs surge a little suggests that it is working. I've given the intake a clean out but the engine is breathing a little on the heavy side so it gets dirty quickly. The blue temp sender is the one that was in there, but it seems to advance okay when plugged in.

Vac pipes - already changed these today, including the pipe to the airbox, the pipe to the FPR, the pipe to the inlet manifold, both blanking pipes off the inlet manifold and the braided bit of the pipe to the clocks. The pipes I took off looked worse for wear, but swapping them made zero difference unfortunately.

Squeezing the ISV tube - will try this tomorrow. I'm also going to give the intake boot a massage to see if it changes the revs.

Throttle stop screw - don't want to mess with this if possible as it's supposed to be non-adjustable I think?

I'm still convinced there's a leak around the throttle body somewhere, given all of the oily residue under the tb.
« Last Edit: 16 March 2012, 21:09 by tony_ack »
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Re: High idle
« Reply #8 on: 17 March 2012, 02:11 »
have you gone by the rev counter or by an actual rev reading???

My rev counter shows my tick over at 1500 when I know it's really doing 850... Due to some plonker changing the rev counter....

Can't be arsed to change it!!

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