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Offline thatwillis

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Nikon 50mm 1.4 vs 1.8
« on: 07 March 2012, 19:02 »
Hiya.

I'm after a 50mm prime as everyone on here says how important they are. Down side is due to my camera body (D3000) I need to have the silent wave motor inside. So thats the AF-S range. I'm looking at about 330quid for a 50mm 1.4 and about 180 for a 50mm 1.8. I do what to use it for low light handheld shots in nightclubs etc. Would the 1.8 be good enough? Just seems like alot more money for that extra little bit of light.

Going for shots like this.


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Re: Nikon 50mm 1.4 vs 1.8
« Reply #1 on: 07 March 2012, 23:11 »
Other than the 1.4 being better glass there's not a huge difference, id be more worried about noise due to high iso on your camera

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Re: Nikon 50mm 1.4 vs 1.8
« Reply #2 on: 08 March 2012, 08:01 »
You need to remember that while shooting at f1.8 might get you a shot in low light you'll have to consider that a) in low light and wider apertures auto-focus will struggle to focus, which means that with b) your depth of field being so shallow, only a small bit of the shot will be in focus.
The other consideration is that at 50mm, you won't get a very wide view, (remember that 50mm on a crop sensor is around 70mm film equivalent) and in tight crowd situations like in a club that might not give you enough space for a shot.

I took a few shots at a work party last week, and although I took my 50mm f1.7 with me, I used my kit 17-70mm lens more as it gave me more options to line up shots. I used a proper flash to fill out the shot and found that fine.

For example:
Kit lens, no flash. f5.6 40mm zoom on lens

hands in the air... by AlistairBeavis, on Flickr

No flash, 26mm zoom f5.6

Horns... by AlistairBeavis, on Flickr

Flash-auto fill, f5.6, 26mm zoom:

Salsa - Roberto Pla by AlistairBeavis, on Flickr

So none of those were taken at 50mm (or anywhere close to f1.8), they were wider shots, and a wider shot can always be tightened with a crop.

It might be worth thinking about something different lens-wise.
If you're going to spend £300, why not this Tamron 17-50mm constant f2.8 ?
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-tamron-17-50mm-f2-8-xr-di-ii-vc-lens-with-motor-nikon-fit/p1033482
(I was going to buy one of these myself, but I found a Sigma 28-70mm EX f2.8 bargain on ebay, although I may swap it if 28mm isn't wide enough.)

I think a good option would be to hire a lens for an event and see how you find it.


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Re: Nikon 50mm 1.4 vs 1.8
« Reply #3 on: 08 March 2012, 08:13 »
I think a good option would be to hire a lens for an event and see how you find it.

As above.
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Re: Nikon 50mm 1.4 vs 1.8
« Reply #4 on: 08 March 2012, 10:35 »
I'm probably investing in a Tamrom 17-50 very soon, that's probably more up your street :)

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Re: Nikon 50mm 1.4 vs 1.8
« Reply #5 on: 08 March 2012, 11:37 »
Whenever the next event is, try one out:
http://www.lensesforhire.co.uk/


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Re: Nikon 50mm 1.4 vs 1.8
« Reply #6 on: 08 March 2012, 17:22 »
Whenever the next event is, try one out:
http://www.lensesforhire.co.uk/

Thanks for all your help  :smiley: I was looking at a 50mm in jessops and asked the girl in there if she knew anywhere I could hire a lense she surgested buying the lense then returning it within 30 days!   :laugh:

32quid for a Sigma 50mm isnt bad. http://www.lensesforhire.co.uk/sigman-50mm-f14-ex-dg-hsm-152-p.asp

Yeah 50mm did see quite tight when i had a little think about it. Looking at a 17-50mm 2.8 it doesn't have a much lower fstop than my current lense -18-55 3.5... I guess i should have a propper go at low light shooting with my current lense and see where i get too.

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Re: Nikon 50mm 1.4 vs 1.8
« Reply #7 on: 08 March 2012, 18:06 »
Whenever the next event is, try one out:
http://www.lensesforhire.co.uk/

Thanks for all your help  :smiley: I was looking at a 50mm in jessops and asked the girl in there if she knew anywhere I could hire a lense she surgested buying the lense then returning it within 30 days!   :laugh:

32quid for a Sigma 50mm isnt bad. http://www.lensesforhire.co.uk/sigman-50mm-f14-ex-dg-hsm-152-p.asp

Yeah 50mm did see quite tight when i had a little think about it. Looking at a 17-50mm 2.8 it doesn't have a much lower fstop than my current lense -18-55 3.5... I guess i should have a propper go at low light shooting with my current lense and see where i get too.


There are plenty of places that hire Nikon lenses, you might find a cheaper place.

f2.8 is actually quite a bit better than f3.5 and as I said, if you go down to f1.8 you'll find the depth of field so shallow
that you'll have lots of your crowd out of focus.
The other thing will be that the Tamron 17-50 f2.8 will be better quality glass than your kit lens, so will give you better results.
Besides your kit lens will only do f3.5 at it's widest, but if you zoom to 50mm, you'll be limited to f5.6 or something, whereas with the Tamron 17-50 f2.8, it will still be f2.8 even at 50mm.

Another lens option:
Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4.5 - it's meant to be really good clarity wise
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-sigma-17-70mm-f2-8-4-dc-macro-os-hsm-lens-nikon-fit/p1518706


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Re: Nikon 50mm 1.4 vs 1.8
« Reply #8 on: 08 March 2012, 19:21 »
that lense hire is crazy money! 32 quid plus 21 quid for delivery!

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Re: Nikon 50mm 1.4 vs 1.8
« Reply #9 on: 08 March 2012, 19:41 »
There's also Calumet, and they have a try before you buy discount:
"Take a Test Drive

With our "Try Before You Buy" programme, we will refund up to a maximum of 50% of a week's hire charge if you decide to buy the product from us within 14 days. There's no better way to try something new, make an informed decision or choose which accessory to buy."

http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/eng/services/rental.cfm

Or LensPimp
http://www.lenspimp.com/

Or Hireacamera:
http://www.hireacamera.com/lens_hire/index.asp
They have the Sigma 50mm f1.4 for £17 for a weekend (plus courier charges) or the Nikon 50mm f1.4 for the same price.


Or make friends with someone with nice gear.  :grin:
« Last Edit: 08 March 2012, 19:47 by DubFan »