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Re: Reality check
« Reply #10 on: 05 March 2012, 13:53 »
I dont disagree with you wanting to see your kids... however in most cases people who chose to not put in the work now will find themselves putting it in later. Hopefully when I am sat in a much sunnier place possibly on a yatch somewhere hitting golf balls into the sea  :cool:

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #11 on: 05 March 2012, 14:02 »
The guy wants some constructive advice.  Lets not turn this into a willy waving contest about who works the most hours.

Its hardly a title to boast about is it?





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Re: Reality check
« Reply #12 on: 05 March 2012, 15:00 »
The guy wants some constructive advice.  Lets not turn this into a willy waving contest about who works the most hours.

Its hardly a title to boast about is it?



No one said it was.. only making the point that if you want to progress then you have to give that little bit more sometimes. In reply to the original OP, the three points you made are really for you to check,and not for them to highlight to you.

If I was your employer and had coughed up money for you to attend the course, only to be told by you that you dont want to do it now as you are not willing to work a 7 days week... then I too would push for the money back. Although on this occasion you may be able to get away with it as no contract was signed (although as an employer I would be mighty pi$$ed at this).

Just to highlight... you really should of asked yourself some of these questions before you signed up. I can appreciate wanting to spend time with family.... but dont expect others to be out of pocket for no gain other than yours, as ultimately this is what this is. Although I can understand your dilema, YOU are the only person in the wrong here.

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #13 on: 05 March 2012, 15:31 »
I dont disagree with you wanting to see your kids... however in most cases people who chose to not put in the work now will find themselves putting it in later. Hopefully when I am sat in a much sunnier place possibly on a yatch somewhere hitting golf balls into the sea  :cool:

you won't get very far with that spelling!

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #14 on: 05 March 2012, 16:22 »
I dont disagree with you wanting to see your kids... however in most cases people who chose to not put in the work now will find themselves putting it in later. Hopefully when I am sat in a much sunnier place possibly on a yatch somewhere hitting golf balls into the sea  :cool:

you won't get very far with that spelling!

the spell checker has already been invented pal. you may wish to find a new line of work.

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #15 on: 05 March 2012, 17:47 »
The guy wants some constructive advice.  Lets not turn this into a willy waving contest about who works the most hours.

Its hardly a title to boast about is it?



No one said it was.. only making the point that if you want to progress then you have to give that little bit more sometimes. In reply to the original OP, the three points you made are really for you to check,and not for them to highlight to you.

If I was your employer and had coughed up money for you to attend the course, only to be told by you that you dont want to do it now as you are not willing to work a 7 days week... then I too would push for the money back. Although on this occasion you may be able to get away with it as no contract was signed (although as an employer I would be mighty pi$$ed at this).

Just to highlight... you really should of asked yourself some of these questions before you signed up. I can appreciate wanting to spend time with family.... but dont expect others to be out of pocket for no gain other than yours, as ultimately this is what this is. Although I can understand your dilema, YOU are the only person in the wrong here.

disagree with virtually everything you said.

1. It was an open invite to do a sponsorship with with no definition of how many hours I would be expected. The OU themselves say that it is too much to expect, especially as the hours I am working is the hours expected to study or thereabouts.

2. I also don't expect my job ever to pay big money just enough to be comfortable and raise my kids :smiley:

3. Them asking for money is like saying here is a job but we forgot to mention you will work 62hrs instead of 37hrs. Would you not consider them in breach??

That's what I was looking for...obviously on my own in this type of thinking.

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #16 on: 05 March 2012, 23:04 »
Although I can see your point I would say in response..

1. As said by others it may have been wise to look in to this before undertaking the course. I imagine your company will probably use this to recover any investment they have made. Again not sure how valid this may be, but if you put yourself in their position I am sure this is what most people will do.

As companies become more stringent with costs, I would expect them to be quite thorough with this. Although I do not know the nature of your companies business so could not say if this will be the case.

2. I understand your point totally.

3.  As said in point one, they will probably try argue that if they are giving you the required amount of study time then they are sufficient in their roll. Again open to interpretation.. I imagine they, like yourself, expected a return from their investment and are entitled to reclaim any cost.

I hope that provides you with a little bit more advice like you were originally looking for and in doing so provides you with the thoughs of a neutral person. Should this go any further then I imagine a judge will look along the same lines. This of course depends on further evidence and the angle you both undertake. I just imagine (depending on their outlay) that this will not be as straight forward as most would imagine.

Good luck either way :smiley:

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #17 on: 06 March 2012, 08:23 »
Cheers. I am probably as hacked off as they are about this as I really want this degree. But none of my close friends can see how it can be done bar my suggestion of reducing the amount of study and spreading it over a couple of extra years. When I signed up as well, it was an open invite to the point I didn't even know it was OU route. I thought I was going to a Uni for 1-2days per week.

All said I can see your point tho, but I'll be battling as really would like them to come up with a solution that means I can stay on it and complete....if not tho I will do my damnedest to make sure that they don't get money off me. Had it been a job advert theyd be screwed I think. Already had a chat with my Union who beleive it was unrealistic study period without being explicit about expectations

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Re: Reality check
« Reply #18 on: 06 March 2012, 09:19 »
good to hear you have the union on your side.. hopefully they will be able to help you negotiate, possibly for something neutral which keeps everyone happy :cool: