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Offline PenguinGTI

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Re: Race with Ed35 - guess who won?
« Reply #40 on: 01 March 2012, 22:30 »
A std GTI will make 210 on rollers give or take 2-3%. A ed35 will make 235 give or take the same. Its as simple as that.

I did race a remapped ed30 against a revo'd mk6 GTI. It was a close call but pulled from me in every gear. Over a 1/4 I would say a couple of car lengths at most although he did have a slight jump.

Sorry but don't agree. There's plenty of evidence online to show MK6 GTI's put out 220bhp+.

As for against the mapped Edition 30, don't agree either. I've raced plenty and they are level pegging. You had plenty of issues with your map, and my friend running REVO had issues whereby his car wasn't running what REVO told him it was running.

Over a 1/4 mile a couple of car lengths translates to a huge difference between cars. I think you may be exaggerating.


there was LOTS of this going on over on the mk5 board a few years back. Many claiming their cars made bigger figures. In the end it was settled on a properly set  up DD rollers. The result??? All stock cars made almost exactly the manufacturers claimed bhp.

There are so many variables on a RR... the only way of deciding is to try before and after a map to check the difference. It really is that simple.

My car was putting out 209 bhp before revo, and 264 after. Same rollers, same variables. the ed30 was pulling on me although like I said he had a very slight jump. A mapped ED30 will make a respectful 270bhp. So like I said not much in it.

So a difference of 5 horsepower is sufficient  - in cars of equal weight, transmission and drievtrain losses - to result in one car noticeably pulling ahead of the other?

Technically you'd be correct, but in reality there is going to be no difference. You would notice a bigger difference simply by using better fuel.

Admittedly though, dyno figures can be a bit of a lottery (although I find it interesting that so many independent testers have yielded around the 220bhp mark for the MK6 GTI's).

Even still, the 25 horsepower advantage the Edition 35 holds out of the box is hardly enough extra grunt to pull out and pass an accelerating Mk6 GTI. Side by side the Edition 35 will nose ahead, but if you expect any more then you're going to be disappointed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCfUFP4cgyw watch that. There are a few factors such as DSG (equipped in the GTI), AWD transmission loss, and the US Spec of the R (which is rated at 255 PS rather than 265 PS), but even still the 45 horsepower advantage of the R is hardly enough to pull drastically away from the GTI.



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Re: Race with Ed35 - guess who won?
« Reply #41 on: 01 March 2012, 22:31 »
Anyone notice the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times at GTI International last year of standard Mk6 GTIs vs mapped Mk6 GTIs vs Ed35?
Nothing in it.
The driver has more sway...or maybe DSG. Out on the road, local conditions or driver skill will be the decider I suspect.

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Re: Race with Ed35 - guess who won?
« Reply #42 on: 01 March 2012, 22:34 »
This is where I am talking from experience, As Ide say ive owned one of the fastest MKVI GTI's on the forum along with soon to be prolly the fastest R.

Ive had a MK6 GTI running stage 2 with intake bigger injectors straight through 3" exhaust with a decat intercooler etc...

 My MK6 R admittedly with an Intake aswell as a remap is quicker,

 However my MKVI GTI was a manual and the R a DSG, But the GTI wouldn't have gotten close. The GTI just wheel spins all the time and the gear changes no matter how fast I was are just never as quick as in the R.

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Re: Race with Ed35 - guess who won?
« Reply #43 on: 01 March 2012, 22:36 »
+ You 35 boys, Get your mods and ill see you at either York Raceway or the Pod at one of the shows here. And you can change my opinion. But a 12.6 at 110 your going to have to spend bare coin just to even get close to my time with a remap. nevermind stage 2

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Re: Race with Ed35 - guess who won?
« Reply #44 on: 01 March 2012, 22:37 »
We're not talking modded vs standard.

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Re: Race with Ed35 - guess who won?
« Reply #45 on: 01 March 2012, 22:44 »
We're not talking modded vs standard.


http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/vw_golf_gti_edition_35.html      (35)

http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/vw_golf_r.html                          (R)

 http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/vw_golf_gti_mk_vi.html           (GTI)

Shows exactly what your saying the GTI is actually faster to 40kph then the 35
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Re: Race with Ed35 - guess who won?
« Reply #46 on: 01 March 2012, 22:46 »
+ You 35 boys, Get your mods and ill see you at either York Raceway or the Pod at one of the shows here. And you can change my opinion. But a 12.6 at 110 your going to have to spend bare coin just to even get close to my time with a remap. nevermind stage 2

Or just buy a Scirocco R and whip his overweight 4WD all day long!  :rolleyes:

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Re: Race with Ed35 - guess who won?
« Reply #47 on: 01 March 2012, 22:50 »
+ You 35 boys, Get your mods and ill see you at either York Raceway or the Pod at one of the shows here. And you can change my opinion. But a 12.6 at 110 your going to have to spend bare coin just to even get close to my time with a remap. nevermind stage 2

Or just buy a Scirocco R and whip his overweight 4WD all day long!  :rolleyes:

Eh? The Rocco R is 7 seconds slower round the Ring than the Golf R.


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Re: Race with Ed35 - guess who won?
« Reply #48 on: 01 March 2012, 22:52 »
It's a wind up, pointing out the Golf Arse is very heavy with its 4WD  :tongue:

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Re: Race with Ed35 - guess who won?
« Reply #49 on: 01 March 2012, 22:57 »
It's a wind up, pointing out the Golf Arse is very heavy with its 4WD  :tongue:

Tis heavy and round some racetracks the frontwheel drive cars will prolly perform abit better.
 However that being said. On British roads and british weather the 4wd will win everytime.

 But seriously though take alook at that site I posted. Has some good information.
  Has laptimes for some of Europes best circuits posted aswell as power informations etc..