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Offline oj121

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GTI vs rivals
« on: 15 February 2012, 20:17 »
Hey guys. New member here and due to upgrade my Fiesta ST in May/June time. Ive gone through a monster list of what I want and after some serious soul searching and may wife and father telling me I need a more grown up car, not the 2 seaters ive been looking at, i've narrowed down my search. Budget under £10k.

Im going to test the 130 M sport because its a hell of a car for the money and id be stupid not to although im not sold on the looks.
and the mk5 GTI of course. I love the looks of the things. Subtle, classy but aggressive. Only problem with it is its kinda slow in comparison to most other hot hatches. With this in mind if I did get a GTI it would be straight to REVO or Jabba for a stage 1.

Ok enough of my boring back story. What I want to know is just how quick is the GTI with a stage 1. The 130 is 0-62 in 6.1 seconds with bags of torque and a nice high limiter. For arguements sake the Focus ST is 6.4 seconds.

How does a generic stage 1 compare. Im 27 and in a good job so im not a traffic GP yobbo but I have a few mates with quick cars and dont want to be embarressed and be the one they are all waiting for. Of course my mate has a 2.2 vx220 so im always going to be holding him up.

Sorry if this has all been covered before and I appreciate any advice.

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Re: GTI vs rivals
« Reply #1 on: 15 February 2012, 20:31 »
0-60mph on the Fiesta ST is 7.9 secs.
0-60mph on the Golf Gti is 7.2 secs
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Re: GTI vs rivals
« Reply #2 on: 15 February 2012, 20:34 »
Thanks for the helpful post...........

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Re: GTI vs rivals
« Reply #3 on: 15 February 2012, 20:50 »
What's your budget?  You got enough to stretch to an Edition 30?

If not, a remapped GTI is a night and day difference to how it drives; I've remapped a few now and they never fail to bring a smile to the customers face  :cool:

Whilst it won't have the outright power of its rivals, its the fact the GTI can use all of its power without trying to spit you off the road  :wink:

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Re: GTI vs rivals
« Reply #4 on: 15 February 2012, 21:01 »
£10k budget so looking at a £9k car plus a stage 1 and a forge dv. Should get me a nice 40,000 mile 2006 car.
With a remap the car should be putting out 240-250 bhp right? With that in mind I was expecting it to be quicker than its standard rivals and be on a relatively equal footing with the 130 or am i expecting too much?

I get the feeling im trying to talk myself out of the 130 and into the GTI but just dont want to spend £10k and be a little diappointed thats all.................

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Re: GTI vs rivals
« Reply #5 on: 15 February 2012, 21:08 »
£10k budget so looking at a £9k car plus a stage 1 and a forge dv. Should get me a nice 40,000 mile 2006 car.
With a remap the car should be putting out 240-250 bhp right? With that in mind I was expecting it to be quicker than its standard rivals and be on a relatively equal footing with the 130 or am i expecting too much?

I get the feeling im trying to talk myself out of the 130 and into the GTI but just dont want to spend £10k and be a little diappointed thats all.................

A good strong remap will be about the 240bhp mark but like I said, the GTI will be able to USE that power and that for me is the key difference

You won't be disappointed  :wink:

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Re: GTI vs rivals
« Reply #6 on: 15 February 2012, 23:32 »
Let me say this at the outset - don't buy a car because you want the fastest!

Yes a mapped Mk5 GTI is quicker than a standard Focus ST, and to be honest even though the 130 has a bit more grunt, I reckon a mapped Mk5 would be quicker due to the extra torque. But then an ST can also be mapped (a 130i won't really see much as it's naturally aspirated). So if you want the quicker car...

...but Rhyso has also made a very good point. The GTI, although underpowered on paper, is actually a very good drive. It's pretty well balanced and the power is both strong and consistent. The engine does not have an obvious flat spot and in the standard GTI there is minimal turbo lag. It's definitely not the quickest horse in the stable, but the GTI is one of the best drives. There are cars with more power as you have mentioned but few of them will feel as sweet on a good road.

It's also one of the best looking IMO (subjective of course) managing a perfect blend of subtlety, sportiness and class.

Judging from your current car, I don't think what we're saying is entirely alien to you. The Fiesta ST is hardly it's own class leader in terms of power. The Corsa VXR for example has 190bhp and yet I'd imagine a well driven ST 150 could comfortably hang on it's tail down a good road. The reason being that the ST is a pretty balanced package with enough power to be quick but without corrupting either the grip or balance.

But, if power is the ultimate goal you are after, get an Edition 30. Map that and you'll be in RS levels of power.

And let me add in, just a closing thought, the Leon Cupra. It shares much of the GTI's mechanical underpinnings but offers a good bit more power standard (as well as excellent mapping potential) whilst remaining much better looking and more grown up than the ST (although the 130i beats it in maturity).

Verdict:

1. GTI / Cupra
2. ST
3. 130i

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Re: GTI vs rivals
« Reply #7 on: 15 February 2012, 23:36 »
5th gear R32 v 130 video. Bear in mind a mapped GTI is faster than an R32.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHYQPNQm8E

Top Gear R32 v 130.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oikXN8HHIac
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Re: GTI vs rivals
« Reply #8 on: 16 February 2012, 00:05 »
Megane R26, not the most solid built but very quick and beats most hot hatches round the track, remap and its well up there with more powerful motors.
My vote is Seat Cupra R...

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« Reply #9 on: 16 February 2012, 00:11 »
Megane R26, not the most solid built but very quick and beats most hot hatches round the track, remap and its well up there with more powerful motors.
My vote is Seat Cupra R...

I need a more grown up car

"Grown up" is not what springs to mind when I think of the R26. Capable track car yes, but grown up no.

The Seat Cupra R would be the older shape. For his money I reckon the newer Seat Cupra would be within reach, and the newer Cupra is quicker than the older Cupra R.