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Re: Benefits. for or against a cap?
« Reply #20 on: 01 February 2012, 19:52 »
I'm not really sure what effect the cap is going to have on anything.  They've not explained how it effects people who are working, and claiming for certain things.

As long as I can still get child benefit, and some tax credits if I'm lucky, then cap it.  If I can't, they shouldn't cap it.

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Re: Benefits. for or against a cap?
« Reply #21 on: 01 February 2012, 19:56 »
Stop immigrants coming into this country and milking the system dry with our free NHS care and schools for the kids etc. They should get f**k all until they pay taxes :angry:

I pay my taxes for my right to go to the hospital when im ill and send my kids to school and not for immigrants. I see it every day and it f**ks me off. that is why this country is on its knees!!!!


At least "Raymond" has paid some tax in his life!


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Re: Benefits. for or against a cap?
« Reply #22 on: 01 February 2012, 20:49 »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185

Ok so Raymond and his partner are prolific breeders and have loads of children to support, but could they not easly live for the capped rate if they cut out the 24 cans of lager and 200 fags A WEEK!  :shocked: :lipsrsealed: :rolleyes: :laugh: :huh: :cry: :sick:

That family could easily get by with £80 a week less - ditch the sky TV, fags, baccy and beer and they're a fair way to saving that money.

Pisses me off that, since my OH lost his job we've cut back on everything and I'm working every bit of overtime I possibly can to make ends meet without taking any benefits. We certainly wouldn't chuck regular money away on stupid unnecessary crap like Sky TV or going to the pub every week!  :angry: :angry: :angry:

Not to mention that he has been jobless since 2001 and yet has a five year old son? I can understand people struggling who have children THEN lose their job but why continue to have more children when you've been jobless for years and your wife is ill?

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Re: Benefits. for or against a cap?
« Reply #23 on: 01 February 2012, 22:10 »

Not to mention that he has been jobless since 2001 and yet has a five year old son? I can understand people struggling who have children THEN lose their job but why continue to have more children when you've been jobless for years and your wife is ill?


There is a blackadder quote that goes something like, 'the peasants are so poor they are forced to have children just to provide a cheap alternative to turkey at Christmas'

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Re: Benefits. for or against a cap?
« Reply #24 on: 01 February 2012, 22:19 »
Don't think the cap will make a difference, if anything it will rape the working class who rely heavily on child tax credits and child benefit to pay for nursery/childminders fee's, which funnily enough keep that family in work, they will be the ones penalized for working.

Whilst people who are fully unemployed and have been living off the state with the sky dishes will be classed as venerable and this category will continue to receive full support of the cap.

Its like this whole B$ about bankers and bonus's and making a debate out of it but no one is really saying much, why? Well you get taxed on bonus's, so a bonus is a good thing in the governments eyes, so if they don't get bonus then will we have to fork out more in taxes because of the new lack of funds?


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Re: Benefits. for or against a cap?
« Reply #25 on: 01 February 2012, 22:46 »
Its like this whole B$ about bankers and bonus's and making a debate out of it but no one is really saying much, why? Well you get taxed on bonus's, so a bonus is a good thing in the governments eyes, so if they don't get bonus then will we have to fork out more in taxes because of the new lack of funds?

The bonus pot should be put back into lending more money to small businesses. More jobs, more tax paid..
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Re: Benefits. for or against a cap?
« Reply #26 on: 02 February 2012, 00:19 »
Also the problem of unemployment won't go away. We are going to see unemployment continuing to rise.
There isn't enough jobs for everyone, so what do we do?

The trouble is, there ARE plenty of jobs, but they tend to be lower paid and carried out by non-UK nationals who are prepared to work where bone idle Brits think menial/low paid work is below them...so they'd rather sit at home and expect the taxpayer to pay for their rent/beer/fags/plasma TV and Sky.

If it were up to me, if you don't work, and haven't paid into the system (to make sure the honest get a help out if thet genuinely need it) then you'd get a sh!t house in a sh!t area and basic food vouchers.
A new car, foreign holidays, Sky TV, iPhone etc should not be attainable by the bone idle, lazy, theiving toe-rags who think the State should owe them a good income.

The minimum wage should be increased to make sure people can actuallt live on it...and Taxpayers handouts all but stopped, so this insane situation where you 'get more staying at home then you do working' doesn't happen.

And if you can't afford kids...don't breed.

Simples.

Where are these jobs then? I'd really love to know as I would love to work for a living I've been on jobseekers for 5 months now and hate it, I was on it twice before this for 4 months and 8 months all in the last 2 years so in the last 24 months I've been on jobseekers for 17 months, I don't get enough to live on, I get £92 per week with both housing benefit and jobseekers and my rent is £75 per week leaving me £17 to pay my bills and eat.

I don't think low paid jobs are below me, last week I worked over 90 hours and earned £250 for it, I will let the jobcentre know when I next sign on and I'll lose £52 for that week in benefit which means I made £198 for 90 hours work, but I do it so that I'm claiming as little as possible.

I haven't paid tax or NI contributions since I was 16 as none of my employers paid it even though they should have, I have never been paid 1 days holiday even though I was employed, I have been forced to work unpaid overtime and was working 50/70 hours per week at 16 and 17 which anyone under 18 Isn't allowed to do, my first job was £3 an hour, I have never been paid as much as the minimum wage and when I was 16 I tore the ligaments in my ankle and ripped the muscles in my shoulder one day at work and was back working the next day as if I had taken time off I'd have lost my job.

Where I live a new restaurant opened and were recruiting, over 1000 people applied for the bar staff jobs, a cleaning job came up over 1500 applied for that, my old boss while I was working for him advertised for a labourer in 1 day he had over 200 people call for it so with that many people chasing a handful of jobs it's actually hard for me to get one.

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Re: Benefits. for or against a cap?
« Reply #27 on: 02 February 2012, 00:51 »
Completely agree that benefits should be limited. £240/wk on "groceries". WTF?!?

We have four grown adults and weekly shop comes to £60. Even if you doubled that, it's still far less than they spend.

Benefits should be limited to that it's always better to work. This probably means having to raise the minimum wage.

People who are disabled/mentally handicapped etc should be placed in specialised homes, where you have trained staff to look after them, and attend to their needs. Eases any burden off family who can then go and work.

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Re: Benefits. for or against a cap?
« Reply #28 on: 02 February 2012, 00:57 »
I'm proud to live in a country that helps its people when they're down and out.

I'm ashamed to live in a country whose people abuse a system of support.

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Re: Benefits. for or against a cap?
« Reply #29 on: 02 February 2012, 01:29 »
Completely agree that benefits should be limited. £240/wk on "groceries". WTF?!?

We have four grown adults and weekly shop comes to £60. Even if you doubled that, it's still far less than they spend.

Benefits should be limited to that it's always better to work. This probably means having to raise the minimum wage.

People who are disabled/mentally handicapped etc should be placed in specialised homes, where you have trained staff to look after them, and attend to their needs. Eases any burden off family who can then go and work.
£60 on 4 adults. Tell me where and how??

I honestly struggle to get shopping for less than £75 for 2 and 2 kids.

The capping aint the answer. The work ethic is the issue. Workhouses were the only option back in the day and seeing as most council estates are the places that are run down how about forced labour for those over 2yrs unemployed and where they contribute back to society that is helping them...bricklaying/gardening/painting/ etc ?

Amounts need to be capped and they need to THINK about how their actions affect others....that is what is wrong but when our own government doesn't why should anyone else??

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