Independent Scotland....

[VW BUSH]

Very good.

Although it'll be sodding Yorkshire next I should imagine. 

Cornwall already has minority status under EU Law, they'll be first.

They'd get more revenue from pasties that the Scots from oil in the long run.   

Padstein will be the new Capital city with Rick the president.
The Cornish have a past affiliation with the Germans

Totally bombarded with yes/no propaganda up here. Yes and no signs in fields, gardens, windows, cars. Edjits knocking on your door trying to opinionate you. Sick to death of it to be fair. The whole thing's a joke. Nobody has anything set in stone to back themselves up.

I am sick of it too and I am south of London
Its just another thing Bliar did to ruin The UK, I kick myself that I voted for them back then it must have been all the E's and D-Ream used as the labour soundtrack that got me ...

If you vote Yes you will have Scots ruining your own economy if you vote no you have Westminster to blame instead.....
I give it ten years of SNP/Scottish Labour government before you start voting Conservative up there

[Gti_Jamo]

That D-Ream song was catchy lol. Had a key change too which always gets you. 

Alot of the general opinion here is that we'll vote yes then if things don't get better we'll get rid of Salmond and the snp and vote someone else in. This is however all about Salmond and the snp. There going to be setting the standards and will implement whatever agenda they may have in collaboration the european commision and the big corporations. They're not going to step aside without a fight that's for sure.

Although i'm hot fussed about which way it goes, independence would be nice if it was truly that but on the other hand it's ye old 'divide and conquer' and further separating ourselves from what is literally the other half of the island. On the surface it makes little sense. The people of the uk and ireland deserve better as a whole and be better together under different political and financial circumstances. But that would require drastic revolutionary measures.

[VW BUSH]

That D-Ream song was catchy lol. Had a key change too which always gets you. 

Alot of the general opinion here is that we'll vote yes then if things don't get better we'll get rid of Salmond and the snp and vote someone else in. This is however all about Salmond and the snp. There going to be setting the standards and will implement whatever agenda they may have in collaboration the european commision and the big corporations. They're not going to step aside without a fight that's for sure.

Although i'm hot fussed about which way it goes, independence would be nice if it was truly that but on the other hand it's ye old 'divide and conquer' and further separating ourselves from what is literally the other half of the island. On the surface it makes little sense. The people of the uk and ireland deserve better as a whole and be better together under different political and financial circumstances. But that would require drastic revolutionary measures.

Agreed the system as a whole needs a rethink, I would like to see a federated UK and an invite to Eire but more likely to find a rust free VW
Scotland should not keep the pound, not out of a vindictive swipe at Scotland from England but the Scots gaining proper independence from London.
The rUK Economy would dictate Scotland still for many years to come, Eire was a ruin for years by following the pound.
Scotland should have its own pound and negotiate the € if this is the wish of the people, that's if you get a choice....
I don't want the UK to break up, if it happens then I wish you all well and hope the Single Malt price is not affected down south
All this nationalism in Europe is not healthy......

[The Mighty Elvi]

...on a positive note.  If Scotland became independent and then became very poor as the " We're doomed I tell thee" mongers spout forth, then just like Poland, all the men folk will leave to secure jobs to send home money to their weeee lassssieeessss.

All those single women and bored housewives.  Just ripe for a border raid..


Either that or Scottish life will be like auf wiedersehen pet but with Scottish accents, staring Rab C Nesbit

[roberto]

rab c is way to old to build walls

[PoloJen]

I don't think they'll keep the pound anyway, if they get independence the pound wont last long, they've just kept that out of the discussion to get more yes votes as the thought of a whole new currency freaks people out so they're easing them into it gently.
But what do I know, it's interesting to watch though and Davey C must be panicking, who wants to go down in history as the PM who lost Scotland?

[Waspy]

I don't think they'll keep the pound anyway, if they get independence the pound wont last long, they've just kept that out of the discussion to get more yes votes as the thought of a whole new currency freaks people out so they're easing them into it gently.
But what do I know, it's interesting to watch though and Davey C must be panicking, who wants to go down in history as the PM who lost Scotland?

Depends how you look at it...
If losing Scotland somehow massively benefits rUK, then nobody would be all that bothered, would they?

The only way people will give a poo is if it affects your average Joe, and I really dont see it affecting many non-scotts.

[Sam]

Lloyds dropping £1.7bn in a single morning of trading yesterday, says it all really.

All they have in terms of 'economic prosperity' is oil and gas, along with loads of little companies that support these industries. Alright, where exactly is BPs main office and trading floor? Tell me how you're going to see a penny of this when it is shipped straight to Merseyside to save the higher VAT you're proposing?

They then try to talk about there renewable sector as if it's about to explode up there. Why are Seimens (builders of 75% of Europes off-shore turbines) basing their EU operations in Humber ports and pumping £2bn into the area if the future is in Scotland?

There are so many holes in there bid for independence that I am actually worried for the Scottish people who salmond is trying and seemingly succeeding in fobbing off. Independent financial analysis consistently shows that every Scott will be £1.5k worse off each year, which doesn't account for the predicted slump in revenue from North sea oil that many predict.

In the end, it comes down to this for me: There are 5.3 million people living in Scotland, but 1 million Scots living in England, Ireland and Wales. Where is the work Mr Salmond?

[The Mighty Elvi]

Lloyds dropping £1.7bn in a single morning of trading yesterday, says it all really.

All they have in terms of 'economic prosperity' is oil and gas, along with loads of little companies that support these industries. Alright, where exactly is BPs main office and trading floor? Tell me how you're going to see a penny of this when it is shipped straight to Merseyside to save the higher VAT you're proposing?

They then try to talk about there renewable sector as if it's about to explode up there. Why are Seimens (builders of 75% of Europes off-shore turbines) basing their EU operations in Humber ports and pumping £2bn into the area if the future is in Scotland?

There are so many holes in there bid for independence that I am actually worried for the Scottish people who salmond is trying and seemingly succeeding in fobbing off. Independent financial analysis consistently shows that every Scott will be £1.5k worse off each year, which doesn't account for the predicted slump in revenue from North sea oil that many predict.

In the end, it comes down to this for me: There are 5.3 million people living in Scotland, but 1 million Scots living in England, Ireland and Wales. Where is the work Mr Salmond?

£3.6bn annual export of Whiskey. Not to be sniffed at.

Siemens chose the Humber, not over Scotland, but ..."Having considered port locations across Europe, Siemens selected Hull as their preferred location for a new wind turbine manufacturing site and export facility due to the port providing the best connectivity to three of the largest offshore wind turbines. This investment also forms part of a plan to create an offshore wind energy supply chain hub at the port, creating many jobs"

Matt Jukes, Associated British Ports’ Director

Siemens could have set up anywhere, the subsidy money they receive would be exactly the same. Plus its a deep water port and there are only 13 of those in the UK. Also there is shed load of cash going into the area to develop it as a green energy hub. I'm sure Siemens got some cash to go there.

The Oil and Gas fields in the North Sea would be in Scottish Territorial Waters after independence. Much like other countries that don't have/own oil platforms etc.. they would get a fee/% of the oil revenue, plus I would imagine all the refining capacity in Aberdeen would generate £££.

[WadGTI]

Lloyds dropping £1.7bn in a single morning of trading yesterday, says it all really.

All they have in terms of 'economic prosperity' is oil and gas, along with loads of little companies that support these industries. Alright, where exactly is BPs main office and trading floor? Tell me how you're going to see a penny of this when it is shipped straight to Merseyside to save the higher VAT you're proposing?

They then try to talk about there renewable sector as if it's about to explode up there. Why are Seimens (builders of 75% of Europes off-shore turbines) basing their EU operations in Humber ports and pumping £2bn into the area if the future is in Scotland?

There are so many holes in there bid for independence that I am actually worried for the Scottish people who salmond is trying and seemingly succeeding in fobbing off. Independent financial analysis consistently shows that every Scott will be £1.5k worse off each year, which doesn't account for the predicted slump in revenue from North sea oil that many predict.

In the end, it comes down to this for me: There are 5.3 million people living in Scotland, but 1 million Scots living in England, Ireland and Wales. Where is the work Mr Salmond?

In another view Sam,

there is 6 million in scotland; 65 million in the UK.

What costs more to run? What creates and simulates economies?

Link to your IDP Analysis (intrested in reading this)?