Justice

[AudiA8Quattro]

Oh great comeback there 

Not looking to comeback mate i've made my opinion clear and stand by it. I'm not looking to win any arguments here. I fail to see how the other side thinks its acceptable behavior. The situation could have been dealt with more effectively without suddenly resorting to physical manhandling.

A small point i may add is that all Scotrail ticket collectors are specifically trained to deal with these kind of situations and deal with them regularly. An issue like that is not a problem if dealt with accordingly. Its not as if it was a drunken lout who posed an immediate threat to anyone.

It is very easy to say that a situation could be dealt with better after the event, people will react however they react at time, for what they see is right.
I think its to do with upbringing personally. I would not of dared be so disrespectful, rude and then abusive to an old man like that. Some
times if a person causing a situation, it can in certain people's opinion get out of hand.
By refusing to leave the train, the kid was breaking the law. The passenger only intervened as he thought that the conductor was being intimidated and abused. A member of public is allowed to intervene by law in such circumstances. Whether you believe the force used was too much is down to your opinion. The fact still remains, i believe the passenger acted in good faith.

[Jack3559]

It's all about ME, stuff everyone else.
Think on people...

So, in your opinion, verbal abuse is worthy of the punishment of physical abuse? Sorry but your wrong on so many levels mate.

No... I think if someone is bullying someone who is helpless to respond verbally- they deserve swift punishment of the physical variety.

That kid thinks it's okay to make defenceless people feel small... If he hadn't acted out, "big man" wouldn't have had to put him back in his place.

"Big man" wouldn't have got up out of his seat and kicked him off the train if the yob wasn't causing a disturbance.

Unprovoked verbal abuse and bullying in my eyes is a lot worse than a physical (and in this case harmless) reaction to a situation.

[AudiA8Quattro]

It's all about ME, stuff everyone else.
Think on people...

So, in your opinion, verbal abuse is worthy of the punishment of physical abuse? Sorry but your wrong on so many levels mate.

So you would call that physical abuse? now that's a bit over the top really....
And i believe he acted lawfully as stated in my previous post.

[Jord_GTI]

It's all about ME, stuff everyone else.
Think on people...

So, in your opinion, verbal abuse is worthy of the punishment of physical abuse? Sorry but your wrong on so many levels mate.

So you would call that physical abuse? now that's a bit over the top really....
And i believe he acted lawfully as stated in my previous post.

If it wasn't physical abuse what was it? 'Justice'? as you call it?
Lawfully? Thank god you're not in charge eh? 

Unprovoked verbal abuse and bullying in my eyes is a lot worse than a physical (and in this case harmless) reaction to a situation.

Lets look at the worst case scenarios here.

Old man goes home to wife and says "had some little tw@ mouthing off tonight"

Lad mother gets a phone call "Hi your sons in hospital after hitting his head because someone took it upon themselves to throw him out of train onto the floor because he wouldn't get off"

[Gti_Jamo]

So you would call that physical abuse? now that's a bit over the top really....
And i believe he acted lawfully as stated in my previous post.

He was a 'big man' and seemed to be using alot of force against a wee skinny lad. I would say its borderline over the top. Not by much but still injury could have been caused.

In regards to other comments, he was 19!! I mind what i was like when I was that age, I was not much better but so is most young lads that age. Just a bit of a mouth, you grow out of it though and learn to respect people. Its just the way some are brought up. Not necessarily a bad thing, much worse goes on in this world. If anything good is to come out of it at least he might learn a lesson to be more respectful towards others but I would never advocate someone being physically removed in that manner. I just don't like that sort of thing without justifiable reason.

[Mitching]

TBH this is why I don't use the peasant wagons.

All these videos taken on public transport lately me back up.

[Adam]

Kid = No respect
Big Man = Showing the kid a lesson

My opinion is the same as AudiA8Quattro's

[Jord_GTI]

‘He’s tried to get back in the carriage to get his bag.
‘He’s diabetic and all his things were in that bag – his medication, his university notes, his money, his mobile phone and his iPod. This man had no right to do what he did. If I was him, I’d expect to be charged.’


Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/884716-father-of-fare-dodger-calls-for-assault-charge-after-son-is-thrown-off-train#ixzz1gSeAL8L2



Justice at it's best eh?

Kid allegedly get's wrong ticket out, gets thrown off, tries to get medication back, could have died due to not being able to get his stuff back.


Ahhh 'Justice'.

[Adam]

And all of that was in hindsight. If he wasn't being an arrogant prick if he didn't disrespect the ticket collector, and didn't make a scene this wouldn't have escalated.

I think it's all nuts and the defence is there to make him seem innocent. He says he had a valid ticket but wouldn't it be logical to provide evidence to these online news sites? Is there one?   

[Jord_GTI]

And all of that was in hindsight. If he wasn't being an arrogant prick didn't disrespect the ticket collector, and didn't make a scene this wouldn't have escalated.

I think it's all nuts and the defence is there to make him seem innocent. He says he had a valid ticket but wouldn't it be logical to provide evidence to these online news sites? Is there one?   

He was disrespectful yes but that didn't warrant physical violence from member of the public and that wont change no matter how many times someone says "when I was a kid" "XX years ago he would have got..."
Laws are there for a reason, he committed a crime, who deals with crimes? The police.
Was he using physical violence that the police could get to in time to sort out? No. So the big guys actions were not justified.

It's early days, evidence may come out but yes that's what I'd do.