Justice

[AudiA8Quattro]

back forty years ago the local bobby would have been in his rights to give them a slap.

it`s a real shame that vigilante action like this can get the worse end punishment for this and our country is partly f**ked because of this.

1. This is 2011 not 1971.
2. The guy wasn't a 'bobby'.
3. You condone people taking things into their own hands? Being vigilantes?

It's not a shame at all that vigilante action can get worse punishment at all, someone refusing to get off a train deserves worse punishment than someone actually dragging someone down the train and throwing them out the door? No, just no.

1. Yes it is 2011, so its ok to abuse an old man doing his job?
2. Yes the guy was a member of the public, he was just doing what the police should be doing.
3. He's hardly a vigilante, now come on! he is just sticking up for the old man who is being abused by an unpleasant little sh!t.

[Gti_Jamo]

With some of the opinions expressed here, it's no wonder that alot of the mouthy kids we see nowadays think they are untouchable 
I think reasonable force was used.

I very much doubt people who are opinionated against unnecessary violence are to blame for societies mouthy kids. The kid on the video had an attitude problem, but 'big man' had issues with his temperament which are far worse. Reasonable force is what is used in self defence, not to omit ticketless young men from trains.

The kid was mouthing off at an old man. Kids of today think they can get away with anything, as the 'law' is on their side.
The kid isn't hurt, he has just been shoved off a train.
Political correctness gone mad again.
If you don't like his treatment then don't mouth off. I don't condone violent, this was not a violent attack, the kid brought it upon himself.

Aye ok then 

[Jord_GTI]

back forty years ago the local bobby would have been in his rights to give them a slap.

it`s a real shame that vigilante action like this can get the worse end punishment for this and our country is partly f**ked because of this.

1. This is 2011 not 1971.
2. The guy wasn't a 'bobby'.
3. You condone people taking things into their own hands? Being vigilantes?

It's not a shame at all that vigilante action can get worse punishment at all, someone refusing to get off a train deserves worse punishment than someone actually dragging someone down the train and throwing them out the door? No, just no.

1. Yes it is 2011, so its ok to abuse an old man doing his job?
2. Yes the guy was a member of the public, he was just doing what the police should be doing.
3. He's hardly a vigilante, now come on! he is just sticking up for the old man who is being abused by an unpleasant little sh!t.

Where did I say it was OK to abuse an old man? If you read all of my replies you'll see I've said the lad and the guy that threw him off the train were both in the wrong.

Points 2 and 3 contradict each other. He was a member of the public doing what the police should be doing but he wasn't a vigilante? What then?



Crime's the problem here, not the solution.

[Bellend]

OK, if I acted like that lad, I'd fully expect to get a punch in the face and booted off the train. No exaggeration.

I'd have tried to tell the guy the situation and if that failed, left (although probably admittedly while calling the inspector a dick out of frustration).

Not kicked off and held it up for everyone else and yes I have been in that situation.

[AudiA8Quattro]

back forty years ago the local bobby would have been in his rights to give them a slap.

it`s a real shame that vigilante action like this can get the worse end punishment for this and our country is partly f**ked because of this.

1. This is 2011 not 1971.
2. The guy wasn't a 'bobby'.
3. You condone people taking things into their own hands? Being vigilantes?

It's not a shame at all that vigilante action can get worse punishment at all, someone refusing to get off a train deserves worse punishment than someone actually dragging someone down the train and throwing them out the door? No, just no.

1. Yes it is 2011, so its ok to abuse an old man doing his job?
2. Yes the guy was a member of the public, he was just doing what the police should be doing.
3. He's hardly a vigilante, now come on! he is just sticking up for the old man who is being abused by an unpleasant little sh!t.

Where did I say it was OK to abuse an old man? If you read all of my replies you'll see I've said the lad and the guy that threw him off the train were both in the wrong.

Points 2 and 3 contradict each other. He was a member of the public doing what the police should be doing but he wasn't a vigilante? What then?



Crime's the problem here, not the solution.

The point i was making is it was hardly a vigilante act. Just a member of the public helping at an old man who was affectively being bullied.
So not a contradiction at all.
In my opinion the big guy has not committed a crime.

[AudiA8Quattro]

With some of the opinions expressed here, it's no wonder that alot of the mouthy kids we see nowadays think they are untouchable 
I think reasonable force was used.

I very much doubt people who are opinionated against unnecessary violence are to blame for societies mouthy kids. The kid on the video had an attitude problem, but 'big man' had issues with his temperament which are far worse. Reasonable force is what is used in self defence, not to omit ticketless young men from trains.

The kid was mouthing off at an old man. Kids of today think they can get away with anything, as the 'law' is on their side.
The kid isn't hurt, he has just been shoved off a train.
Political correctness gone mad again.
If you don't like his treatment then don't mouth off. I don't condone violent, this was not a violent attack, the kid brought it upon himself.

Aye ok then 

Oh great comeback there 

[Jord_GTI]

back forty years ago the local bobby would have been in his rights to give them a slap.

it`s a real shame that vigilante action like this can get the worse end punishment for this and our country is partly f**ked because of this.

1. This is 2011 not 1971.
2. The guy wasn't a 'bobby'.
3. You condone people taking things into their own hands? Being vigilantes?

It's not a shame at all that vigilante action can get worse punishment at all, someone refusing to get off a train deserves worse punishment than someone actually dragging someone down the train and throwing them out the door? No, just no.

1. Yes it is 2011, so its ok to abuse an old man doing his job?
2. Yes the guy was a member of the public, he was just doing what the police should be doing.
3. He's hardly a vigilante, now come on! he is just sticking up for the old man who is being abused by an unpleasant little sh!t.

Where did I say it was OK to abuse an old man? If you read all of my replies you'll see I've said the lad and the guy that threw him off the train were both in the wrong.

Points 2 and 3 contradict each other. He was a member of the public doing what the police should be doing but he wasn't a vigilante? What then?



Crime's the problem here, not the solution.

The point i was making is it was hardly a vigilante act. Just a member of the public helping at an old man who was affectively being bullied.
So not a contradiction at all.
In my opinion the big guy has not committed a crime.

Refusing to get off a train is not bullying. However if someone was being verbally bullied dragging the bully away and throwing them on the floor isn't justified.


As for the thread title "Justice"; this isn't justice, it's crime on crime.

[AudiA8Quattro]

back forty years ago the local bobby would have been in his rights to give them a slap.

it`s a real shame that vigilante action like this can get the worse end punishment for this and our country is partly f**ked because of this.

1. This is 2011 not 1971.
2. The guy wasn't a 'bobby'.
3. You condone people taking things into their own hands? Being vigilantes?

It's not a shame at all that vigilante action can get worse punishment at all, someone refusing to get off a train deserves worse punishment than someone actually dragging someone down the train and throwing them out the door? No, just no.

1. Yes it is 2011, so its ok to abuse an old man doing his job?
2. Yes the guy was a member of the public, he was just doing what the police should be doing.
3. He's hardly a vigilante, now come on! he is just sticking up for the old man who is being abused by an unpleasant little sh!t.

Where did I say it was OK to abuse an old man? If you read all of my replies you'll see I've said the lad and the guy that threw him off the train were both in the wrong.

Points 2 and 3 contradict each other. He was a member of the public doing what the police should be doing but he wasn't a vigilante? What then?



Crime's the problem here, not the solution.

The point i was making is it was hardly a vigilante act. Just a member of the public helping at an old man who was affectively being bullied.
So not a contradiction at all.
In my opinion the big guy has not committed a crime.

Refusing to get off a train is not bullying. However if someone was being verbally bullied dragging the bully away and throwing them on the floor isn't justified.


As for the thread title "Justice"; this isn't justice, it's crime on crime.

The kid was bullying the old man and verbally abusing him. Would he have done this against a younger a bigger chap? i doubt it. He behaved in this way because he thought he could intimidate the old man.
Justice is the perfect title for this thread, because that is what happened, the big guy used reasonable force in helping the conductor, no crime was committed.
I dread the day that people can't touch anyone when they are clearly behaving like a yob, this is part of the reason are society is going down the pan.
It's all about ME, stuff everyone else.
Think on people...

[Gti_Jamo]

Oh great comeback there 

Not looking to comeback mate i've made my opinion clear and stand by it. I'm not looking to win any arguments here. I fail to see how the other side thinks its acceptable behavior. The situation could have been dealt with more effectively without suddenly resorting to physical manhandling.

A small point i may add is that all Scotrail ticket collectors are specifically trained to deal with these kind of situations and deal with them regularly. An issue like that is not a problem if dealt with accordingly. Its not as if it was a drunken lout who posed an immediate threat to anyone.

[Gti_Jamo]

It's all about ME, stuff everyone else.
Think on people...

So, in your opinion, verbal abuse is worthy of the punishment of physical abuse? Sorry but your wrong on so many levels mate.