Author Topic: Can't start bubble block MkII conversion...help please!  (Read 2237 times)

Offline GeorgeyBoy

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Hi, been ripping my hair out today  :angry:

This could be a long first post tryin to explain things aint my strong point!

Just rebuilt my engine (was a PB) with the Audi 3A 2 litre bubble block. All I changed was the cam to a GS2H kent cam and kept the dizzy from the 3A.

Even though I've got a 4 sparks, compression and I'm getting fuel to the rail she won't fire up  :undecided:

I've checked resistances on the injectors and air flow unit they are within spec to the Haynes bible.

I set the timing to TDC on flywheel and cam pulley and checked the piston was at the top of its stroke, and aligned the magical mark on the dizzy to the rotor arm then had the number one plug above the rotor arm. This didn't work so I kept tweaking it ie turning the dizzy and changing the leads (keeping the right firing order). Not a sausage. Didnt even threaten to fire once on any cylinder.

She smells like theres fuel in there when I turn her over.

One thing that worries me is that the fuel pump operates constantly with the ignition on, and I've read that this can be due to a blown ECU? It's just meant to prime for a couple seconds if the engine isn't running.

Also I had a bad earth to the engine/gearbox when I first installed it all - I read this ain't good for the ECU either.

Would really appreciate some advice if anyone can think of anything other than a blown ECU. If I'm getting a spark does this mean the ECU is OK or does the dizzy etc operate independent of the
ECU?

Offline i_am_me

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Re: Can't start bubble block MkII conversion...help please!
« Reply #1 on: 19 November 2011, 22:25 »
sound like you have blown the ecu.
i did the same when i did a digi conversion.

if i was you i would check your oil aswell because mine ended up full of petrol.

when the ecu blow it opens the injectors fully all the time so it will just dump fuel into the engine and stop it firing up.(again mine wouldnt start with the ecu blown.)
but the ecu doesnt affect the spark.


its cheap and easy to replace the ecu though so it would be my first choice.
« Last Edit: 19 November 2011, 22:29 by i_am_me »
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Offline GeorgeyBoy

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Re: Can't start bubble block MkII conversion...help please!
« Reply #2 on: 19 November 2011, 22:44 »
Cheers for the quick response,

I didn't wana waste money on an ECU if someone could point something really stupid out that I hadn't done, but it's definitely looking that way. Will get on and find one.

The only thing is, I have left the ignition on so the fuel pump has run for more than five minutes to see if the cylinders fill up but there wasn't anything in them? Anyway, the ECU will be changed ASAP.

Is there any way of telling if the ECU I buy is working correctly before I install it, or do I just have to trust whoever I buy it off?

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Re: Can't start bubble block MkII conversion...help please!
« Reply #3 on: 20 November 2011, 10:28 »
You're going to be buying with a reasonable degree of trust.

Before you put the new ECU on it make sure you have a good earth from the back of the head as well as from the gearbox, or you'll just blow another ECU.

Might even be worth buying a new strap for the head.
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Re: Can't start bubble block MkII conversion...help please!
« Reply #4 on: 20 November 2011, 11:11 »
i seriously suggest looking in your oil,since you have left the igniton on if it has been pumping fuel in it will have seeped past the piston rings and filled the sump.
(speaking from experiance)

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Offline GeorgeyBoy

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Re: Can't start bubble block MkII conversion...help please!
« Reply #5 on: 20 November 2011, 12:21 »
Thanks for the help, will defo change oil - lucky really cause I bought a load of it on offer to get her fired up, timed in and run the cam in - then I was gonna change it for some nicer stuff, but sounds like that change is gona come sooner than expected!

Have made sure the earths are sh*t hot already incase this was the problem - but it was obviously too little too late - blew the bugger already!

Anyone know any genuine sellers for the ECU - have seen one on ebay cheaper than the rest but I'm just thinking is it too good to be true?

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Re: Can't start bubble block MkII conversion...help please!
« Reply #6 on: 20 November 2011, 23:21 »
just going to have to try someone, is there a breakers yard near you, you could see if they have one. if it doesnt work take it back and get your money back

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Re: Can't start bubble block MkII conversion...help please!
« Reply #7 on: 26 November 2011, 21:36 »
SUCCESS!
At last! Changed the oil mid week and looked out an ECU.
You little beauty! 25 dollar for an ECU off a quality bloke breaking on ebay really nice chap. Plugged her in today and with a charged battery, off she went! Just gota get a timing light and gas analyser on her and tune her in properly. Was starting to think she was never gona run!
Happy man today! Now for the next project? Gonna enjoy this one first for a while me thinks.

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Re: Can't start bubble block MkII conversion...help please!
« Reply #8 on: 26 November 2011, 21:38 »
PS thanks for the advice as well

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Re: Can't start bubble block MkII conversion...help please!
« Reply #9 on: 26 November 2011, 22:10 »
Glad to hear it's sorted :afro: