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Offline Yohan

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The ESP Light Saga! - SOLVED
« on: 07 November 2011, 18:46 »
Right fellow mkiv fans, this has been going on for so long now that it deserves its own thread.

Background:-

Bought a Bora V6 4motion, the ESP light would come on above 12mph, turned out to be a duff Haldex controller. Replaced the controller and all was well, no fault codes.

That's where the good part ends.

Changes:-

Took out the perfectly good V6 engine and fitted an Audi S3 1.8T AMK (2002) engine, quick rack, etc etc.

Fault:-

ESP light is permanently lit now when the engine is on, however when the ignition is on but not the engine, it isn't illuminated.

Symptoms:-

Car drives absolutely fine, ESP works, can launch it and the rear wheels kick in as they should.

ONLY Ignition On

When just the ignition is turned on, it looks like there is bleed through from the EML light which causes the ESP light to semi light up. Shown in the picture/video below.





You can also press the ESP button and the light will go on and off as it should, shown in this video.



Engine On

When the engine is turned on (ignore the airbag fault, I've replaced the slip ring and it's fine now) the ESP light flickers briefly on start up then stay lit permanently.

When you press the ESP button, the light just strobes as shown in the video below.



Vag-Com Logs

First Scan

Monday,07,November,2011,17:50:50:62534
VCDS Version: Release 10.6.5
Data version: 20110930

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chassis Type: 1J - VW Golf/Bora IV
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
          76
 
VIN:    Mileage: 268070km/166570miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-032-BAM.lbl
   Part No: 8N0 906 018 H
   Component: 1.8L R4/5VT         0004
   Coding: 10710
   Shop #: WSC 33278
   VCID: 3666B2B138DC
   

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1J0-907-37x-ESP-A.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 907 379 AB
   Component:  ESP     20   CAN  V005
   Coding: 00214
   Shop #: WSC 31414
   VCID: 71EC41AD1132

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
   Part No: 3B2 907 044 C
   Component: CLIMATRONIC     C 0.7.0
   Coding: 01000
   Shop #: WSC 31414
   VCID: 224E7EE18454

1 Fault Found:
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
            37-00 - Faulty

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 A
   Component: 0F AIRBAG VW5  01   0004
   Coding: 12358
   Shop #: WSC 31414
   VCID: 3564B5BD25DA

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
   Part No: 1J5 920 926 A
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V05
   Coding: 05414
   Shop #: WSC 00000
   VCID: 2D549DDDCD8A
   

2 Faults Found:
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
            30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
01314 - Engine Control Module
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 01317
   VCID: F0EAC4A99A38

1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: 02D-900-554.lbl
   Part No: 02D 900 554 C
   Component: HALDEX LSC  ECC     0010
   VCID: 204A74E98A58

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 959 799 AH
   Component: 2L Zentral-SG Komf. 0001
   Coding: 04096
   Shop #: WSC 31414
   VCID: 84029879BE80

   Part No: 1J2959802C
   Component: 2L Tõrsteuerger. FS0002r

   Part No: 1J2959801D
   Component: 2L Tõrsteuerger. BF0002r

   Part No: 1J4959811C
   Component: 2L Tõrsteuerger. HL0002r

   Part No: 1J4959812C
   Component: 2L Tõrsteuerger. HR0002r

1 Fault Found:
00953 - Interior Light Time limit
            25-10 - Unknown Switch Condition - Intermittent

End   ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Clear Codes

I then clear all the codes, turn the car off, turn the car on and let it idle briefly, then scan it again and it shows the following.

Monday,07,November,2011,18:14:07:62534
VCDS Version: Release 10.6.5
Data version: 20110930

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chassis Type: 1J - VW Golf/Bora IV
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
          76
 
VIN:  Mileage: 268070km/166570miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06A-906-032-BAM.lbl
   Part No: 8N0 906 018 H
   Component: 1.8L R4/5VT         0004
   Coding: 10710
   Shop #: WSC 33278
   VCID: 3666B2B138DC
   

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1J0-907-37x-ESP-A.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 907 379 AB
   Component:  ESP     20   CAN  V005
   Coding: 00214
   Shop #: WSC 31414
   VCID: 71EC41AD1132

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
   Part No: 3B2 907 044 C
   Component: CLIMATRONIC     C 0.7.0
   Coding: 01000
   Shop #: WSC 31414
   VCID: 224E7EE18454

1 Fault Found:
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
            37-00 - Faulty

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 A
   Component: 0F AIRBAG VW5  01   0004
   Coding: 12358
   Shop #: WSC 31414
   VCID: 3564B5BD25DA

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
   Part No: 1J5 920 926 A
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V05
   Coding: 05414
   Shop #: WSC 00000
   VCID: 2D549DDDCD8A
   

1 Fault Found:
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
            30-00 - Open or Short to Plus

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 01317
   VCID: F0EAC4A99A38

No fault code found.

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Address 22: AWD        Labels: 02D-900-554.lbl
   Part No: 02D 900 554 C
   Component: HALDEX LSC  ECC     0010
   VCID: 204A74E98A58

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 959 799 AH
   Component: 2L Zentral-SG Komf. 0001
   Coding: 04096
   Shop #: WSC 31414
   VCID: 84029879BE80

   Part No: 1J2959802C
   Component: 2L Tõrsteuerger. FS0002r

   Part No: 1J2959801D
   Component: 2L Tõrsteuerger. BF0002r

   Part No: 1J4959811C
   Component: 2L Tõrsteuerger. HL0002r

   Part No: 1J4959812C
   Component: 2L Tõrsteuerger. HR0002r

No fault code found.

End   ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Final Thoughts

After clearing all the fault codes and starting the car up again, the ESP light is STILL on.

I've read that the S3/R32/LCR Quick Racks can cause ESP faults, however I thought this was only under hard cornering and not a permanent feature. Could any other quick rack owners clarify this for me?

I keep getting random "01314 - Engine Control Module 49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent" codes, not always in the same blocks as shown in the first scan. Sometimes they appear in the ABS module [Block 3]

This is doing my nut in, not so much the light being lit, just that I don't know WHY...

Whoever solves this will get a crate of beer sent down to them
« Last Edit: 09 November 2011, 19:39 by Yohan »
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Re: The ESP Light Saga! - Who likes a challenge?
« Reply #1 on: 07 November 2011, 21:17 »
Firstly here is my Vag-Com scan from tonight's 30 mile round trip of mixed driving.

Monday,07,November,2011,21:04:36:62534
VCDS Version: Release 10.6.5
Data version: 20110930

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Chassis Type: 1J - VW Golf/Bora IV
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
          76
 
VIN:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine        Labels:
   Part No: 8N0 906 018 H
   Component: 1.8L R4/5VT         0004
   Coding: 10710
   Shop #: WSC 33278
   VCID: 3666B2B138DC
 

No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error occurred

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1J0-907-37x-ESP-A.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 907 379 AB
   Component:  ESP     20   CAN  V005
   Coding: 00214
   Shop #: WSC 31414
   VCID: 71EC41AD1132

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 3Bx-907-044.lbl
   Part No: 3B2 907 044 C
   Component: CLIMATRONIC     C 0.7.0
   Coding: 01000
   Shop #: WSC 31414
   VCID: 224E7EE18454

1 Fault Found:
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
            37-00 - Faulty

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
   Part No: 6Q0 909 605 A
   Component: 0F AIRBAG VW5  01   0004
   Coding: 12358
   Shop #: WSC 31414
   VCID: 3564B5BD25DA

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
   Part No: 1J5 920 926 A
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V05
   Coding: 05414
   Shop #: WSC 00000
   VCID: 2D549DDDCD8A
 

No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error occurred

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
   Part No: 6N0 909 901
   Component: Gateway K<->CAN    0001
   Coding: 00006
   Shop #: WSC 01317
   VCID: F0EAC4A99A38

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 22: AWD        Labels: 02D-900-554.lbl
   Part No: 02D 900 554 C
   Component: HALDEX LSC  ECC     0010
   VCID: 204A74E98A58

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1J0-959-799.lbl
   Part No: 1J0 959 799 AH
   Component: 2L Zentral-SG Komf. 0001
   Coding: 04096
   Shop #: WSC 31414
   VCID: 84029879BE80

   Part No: 1J2959802C
   Component: 2L Tõrsteuerger. FS0002r

   Part No: 1J2959801D
   Component: 2L Tõrsteuerger. BF0002r

   Part No: 1J4959811C
   Component: 2L Tõrsteuerger. HL0002r

   Part No: 1J4959812C
   Component: 2L Tõrsteuerger. HR0002r

No fault code found.

End   ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: The ESP Light Saga! - Who likes a challenge?
« Reply #2 on: 08 November 2011, 18:45 »
wiring issue between the ecu and the instrument cluster controller.

or faulty cluster?

james
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Re: The ESP Light Saga! - Who likes a challenge?
« Reply #3 on: 08 November 2011, 18:52 »
Quote from: javalin on 08 November 2011, 18:45
wiring issue between the ecu and the instrument cluster controller.

or faulty cluster?

james

agreed i'd start with those. possibly pinched a can wire during the install

would be handy if you could find the current flow diagrams for both the original and new motors.
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Re: The ESP Light Saga! - Who likes a challenge?
« Reply #4 on: 08 November 2011, 23:46 »
You guys could be on to something based on what another member has said on uk-mkivs.

"Yohan, did you mention you have changed your clocks? If so have you added Immo 3 clocks?? If so I'm guessing your old ones were Immo 2? I had the exact same issue very dim ESP light then on fully when the engine started...

The reason I ask is because when I added Immo 3 clocks to my Immo 2 car, I got the same fault. The reason why it occured is because the Immo 3 clocks get their ESP signal via can-bus but the immo2's get a direct feed. You need to remove the direct ESP feed I can't remeber which pin it is supplied on (I will find my thead on this and post it). You should then find everything works fine.

Found it...remove pin 14 of the green cluster (ESP wire). If it doesn't work put it back and you havn't lost anything."

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Re: The ESP Light Saga! - SOLVED
« Reply #5 on: 09 November 2011, 19:39 »
SOLVED

[quote user="simonsneyd"]

The reason I ask is because when I added Immo 3 clocks to my Immo 2 car, I got the same fault. The reason why it occured is because the Immo 3 clocks get their ESP signal via can-bus but the immo2's get a direct feed. You need to remove the direct ESP feed I can't remeber which pin it is supplied on (I will find my thead on this and post it). You should then find everything works fine.

[/quote]

[quote user="simonsneyd"]

Found it...remove pin 14 of the green cluster (ESP wire). If it doesn't work put it back and you havn't lost anything.

[/quote]

Followed those steps tonight and can confirm that the ESP light is OFF!
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