Bio Fuel already in some filling stations

[Chillly]

Whats your views on this guys as its already in circulation and growing fast? I think its about 5% the government has stipulated and has to be in full circulation by the end of 2012 i read. But that date may be wrong.

[Gti_Jamo]

Waste of time and resources to be fair. If biofuel was to take off and become big, it would do so at the expense of food production as vast areas of land are required to cultivate the ingrendients needed to make fuel. All these long term plans to cut greenhouse gases by implimenting these futile efforts is just comical. The government, or more than likely the elements controlling it, won't do anything unless there is money to be made from it which renders there plans useless in regards to long term pollution reduction. The main problem, does not even get a mention and most are even unaware of it but 'saving the planet' so to speek requires a huge shake-up on the corporate and manufacturing levels. It is those which have the most destructive force.

[Chillly]

Waste of time and resources to be fair. If biofuel was to take off and become big, it would do so at the expense of food production as vast areas of land are required to cultivate the ingrendients needed to make fuel. All these long term plans to cut greenhouse gases by implimenting these futile efforts is just comical. The government, or more than likely the elements controlling it, won't do anything unless there is money to be made from it which renders there plans useless in regards to long term pollution reduction. The main problem, does not even get a mention and most are even unaware of it but 'saving the planet' so to speek requires a huge shake-up on the corporate and manufacturing levels. It is those which have the most destructive force.

5% Ethanol is going in unleaded across the country as we speak in some areas, You may be aware already.

[The Mighty Elvi]

Bio-fuel has been used for years.  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7347142.stm

I did some consultancy work for these guys:


http://www.agrienergy.co.uk/

Largest collector and processor of used cooking oil. It's this stuff which is added to fuels to get the 2.5%, now 5% "bio-fuel"  

That is why there is so much theft of used cooking oil.

When I was doing my consultancy work they were offering to pay up to 25p a litre for it from some of the pub groups and catering companies.

Now when you consider that pub chains like Mitchell's & Butlers and KFC (largest volume producer of UCO in uk)  were getting paid  around £50,000 to £130,000 a year from this stuff, it's surprising how much the stuff is worth.

[golf-sib]

It's not uncommon practice, only way its eifficient if the 5% is made up off used oil opposed to oil extracted via farming directly for the sole purpose off biofuels.

I know the local power station runs on bio fuel mixture with palm oil which is shipped via a tanker up the thames. I remember visiting it for a project, shame you can no longer get entry to powerstations like dungonesse.

[Agreeable Slick]

Waste of time and resources to be fair. If biofuel was to take off and become big, it would do so at the expense of food production as vast areas of land are required to cultivate the ingrendients needed to make fuel. All these long term plans to cut greenhouse gases by implimenting these futile efforts is just comical. The government, or more than likely the elements controlling it, won't do anything unless there is money to be made from it which renders there plans useless in regards to long term pollution reduction. The main problem, does not even get a mention and most are even unaware of it but 'saving the planet' so to speek requires a huge shake-up on the corporate and manufacturing levels. It is those which have the most destructive force.

Utter tosh.

The problem is that there is not the method to effectively and efficiently break down the more robust crop selection. There is not any problem at all with the land mass we have spare, as there are plenty of crops that will grow in the desert, arid non hospitable non cultivated areas.

Simple answer is, as you have mentioned, we can't have countries not having to rely on handouts and thus being controllable can we.

It's been on forecourts for years, and as such manufacturers are engineering their fuel systems to cope with it and not cause warrenty issues.

[Jack3559]

It's not uncommon practice, only way its eifficient if the 5% is made up off used oil opposed to oil extracted via farming directly for the sole purpose off biofuels.

I know the local power station runs on bio fuel mixture with palm oil which is shipped via a tanker up the thames. I remember visiting it for a project, shame you can no longer get entry to powerstations like dungonesse.

You want a visit?

I can arrange one.

[The Mighty Elvi]

The problem is that there is not the method to effectively and efficiently break down the more robust crop selection. There is not any problem at all with the land mass we have spare, as there are plenty of crops that will grow in the desert, arid non hospitable non cultivated areas.

Simple answer is, as you have mentioned, we can't have countries not having to rely on handouts and thus being controllable can we.

It's been on forecourts for years, and as such manufacturers are engineering their fuel systems to cope with it and not cause warrenty issues.

I disagree.

Have a read:

http://www.biofuelwatch.org.uk/

[DOA]

It's been on forecourts for years, and as such manufacturers are engineering their fuel systems to cope with it and not cause warrenty issues.

Not true. If you own an expensive car it may be fully compatible but most cars and bikes are certainly not compatible with ethanol based fuels, despite the fact that such fuels are in widespread use worldwide.

One great example of how else you are wrong is that Brazil has been heavily reliant upon bio-ethanol in its fuel for a number of years and for a number of reasons. However, the blends they use (by legal madate) vary both due to cop hauls and also demand from overseas customers. As for growing worthwhile crops in the desert...........

Anyway, the solution to all of this, the fuel cell, has been neatly brushed under the carpet by the hybrid and biofuel movements, something that personally I find far more worrying since the fuel source is fundamentally free and massively abundant.

[Gti_Jamo]

Utter tosh.

The problem is that there is not the method to effectively and efficiently break down the more robust crop selection. There is not any problem at all with the land mass we have spare, as there are plenty of crops that will grow in the desert, arid non hospitable non cultivated areas.

Simple answer is, as you have mentioned, we can't have countries not having to rely on handouts and thus being controllable can we.

It's been on forecourts for years, and as such manufacturers are engineering their fuel systems to cope with it and not cause warrenty issues.

Utter tosh it certainly isn't.