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Offline Guy

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air compressors
« on: 14 October 2011, 10:57 »
anyone know anything about them?

after the following

able to fit in a van (mobile) with access to 240v
10bar (pref) 8bar (min)

i don't know anything about these but I have to have one for a new secret weapon I hope to be bringing on board  :wink:

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Re: air compressors
« Reply #1 on: 14 October 2011, 15:24 »
10 bar? That will need a massive van. The compressor unit and receiver will be huge.
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Re: air compressors
« Reply #2 on: 14 October 2011, 17:07 »
I've got a rhyas one

50ltr
14cfm
3hp twin

Does the job. Not that big or heavy but I don't use mine all day so can't say if it would coupe being used all day.

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Re: air compressors
« Reply #3 on: 14 October 2011, 23:38 »
do quite a lot with compressors.

120 psi ( 8 bar ) is about the top end of most diy ones  its not that cant do more pressure its that the tnks arn't specked for it and tha safty valves blow.some  don't even make the 120 psi.   150 psi is the pressure that proper industrial compressors work at.

the big question is how much air you need and do you need a contius or intermittent supply

if your after an intermittent supply a smaller dispalcement pump with a big tank will cope but for a permant supply tank size is irrelivant the pump needs the displacement.

as you mention running off 240v   i juessing you'll be runing it of an extension lead from a customers house  :sad:   if you want any seious airflow your stuffed  you'll be down to a 2.2 kw 3 hp motor in most likelyhood   so about 14 CFM  free air displacement,   what will really upset you is that won't run a tool rated at 14 cmf  continusly  it'll be more like 4  :sad:

if your needing lots of air and theres room under your vans bonnet i've got an Engine driven screw compressor in the corner of the workshop  it's only a littel one but good for about 40 CFM at upto 160 psi
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Re: air compressors
« Reply #4 on: 20 October 2011, 17:11 »
tornador gun?

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Re: air compressors
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Re: air compressors
« Reply #6 on: 20 October 2011, 20:10 »
do quite a lot with compressors.

120 psi ( 8 bar ) is about the top end of most diy ones  its not that cant do more pressure its that the tnks arn't specked for it and tha safty valves blow.some  don't even make the 120 psi.   150 psi is the pressure that proper industrial compressors work at.

the big question is how much air you need and do you need a contius or intermittent supply

if your after an intermittent supply a smaller dispalcement pump with a big tank will cope but for a permant supply tank size is irrelivant the pump needs the displacement.

as you mention running off 240v   i juessing you'll be runing it of an extension lead from a customers house  :sad:   if you want any seious airflow your stuffed  you'll be down to a 2.2 kw 3 hp motor in most likelyhood   so about 14 CFM  free air displacement,   what will really upset you is that won't run a tool rated at 14 cmf  continusly  it'll be more like 4  :sad:

if your needing lots of air and theres room under your vans bonnet i've got an Engine driven screw compressor in the corner of the workshop  it's only a littel one but good for about 40 CFM at upto 160 psi

danny... thank you for your post

the specs for the tool that I am using state that it needs 8bar min... but as i understood it that means an 8bar compressor will run down to 6bar before it recharges

the tornador will be used for intermittent periods... of say shorts bursts during a hour or so of work on an interior detail

being able to run this from the van and driven from the engine would be ideal...

this is the tornador http://www.autosmart.co.uk/Tornador.html

danny... is there a chance that you could write your post for someone who doesn't understand compressor speak please? just got my head around bar (i think) and now we have cfm, psi, kw and hp  :laugh:

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Re: air compressors
« Reply #7 on: 22 October 2011, 22:18 »
buying compressors is a minefield.

and there specifactaions are confuseing and quite offten massivly exagerated


KW and HP  are just the measurements of motor power  2.2 KW motor will give about 3 horsepower to drive the compressor with,  meany cheep compressors are badged as haveing a "powerfull 3 HP motor"  thats about the biggest size of 230v motor commonly used and plugging anything bigger into a 13A socket in a customers house may not go down to well.  the problem comes with the AIR end of the compressor as all singelphase motors are much of a muchness efficency wise.

with the air end is where CFM comes in or  cubic feet per minute it's basicly just a measurement of how much air the compressor can move.  what you have to watch out for is the, FREE AIR DISPLACEMENT or FAD.

the free air displacement is basicly the volume of the compressors cylinder/s multiplyed by how meany cycels it dose per minute, this will give a volume of air the compressor would supply in theory if it was 100% volumetricly efficent,  sadly a compressors real world performance is rather a lot diffrent how diffrent is a case of how well made the pump itself is,  cheep chinesse direct drive compressors have quite large free air displacement figures quoted but provide very littel air at pressure  and as the pressure rises they get more and more inefficent.  they also make a lot of noise

they look something like this



belt driven compressors cost more but are rather a lot better there pumps have a larger dispalcemet but operate at a lower speed they are much less noisey than direct drive and more efficent  and in the real world provide more air than a direct drive would do given the same size of motor, they also last rather a lot longer.

they'll look somethign like this


i think for you the only real option you have is a 3hp belt driven compressor unless your funds can strech a bit more.  there bloody expensive and not very common on 230v singel phase but a hydrovane is probaly the ideal solution in all ares bar cost.

there more efficent than piston compressors, quieter, very heavy duity will give more air for give size of motor than any piston compressor and the manufactures don't tend to bullsh!t the specs. they are also much more compact

they look a bit like this



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Re: air compressors
« Reply #8 on: 07 November 2011, 14:25 »
thanks for your responses Danny and apologies for my late response to this thread

do you think then that there is a way/opportunity to realistically power an air compressor from my van?

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Re: air compressors
« Reply #9 on: 07 November 2011, 15:07 »
thanks for your responses Danny and apologies for my late response to this thread

do you think then that there is a way/opportunity to realistically power an air compressor from my van?


also - found this...

http://www.diy-compressors.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=28_23_57&products_id=52