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Re: PD Conversion ( Now TDI Conversions)
« Reply #40 on: 02 September 2011, 22:02 »
aint u stuck a 20v in my old car yet, do it. or just get a motorbike which is much more fun  :cool:

My one at the moment is going to stay ABF when i get enough time to finish it.. This is for a project i want to do in the future  :grin:
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Re: PD Conversion ( Now TDI Conversions)
« Reply #41 on: 02 September 2011, 22:36 »
OK, let's go from the GTD forwards.

The SB and RA motors are OK and nice and top-endy, especially for a diesel.  90BHP, but all at the top of the rev range.

They are distinctly more muscular than the standard 1.6TD, but suffer the same weaknesses - the fibre head gasket and also the heads, which spit out the metal between the valves and then crack and let water into the combustion chambers and allow gases to pressurise the coolant.

FAIL.

The AAZ is a nice motor, also surprisingly free-revving, but not in standard form.  It's also not intercooled in standard form.  Get a cooler on there and put in the boost enrichment pin from an SB or RA motor, turn up the pump and you're rocking on +100bhp and more torque.

Then there's the early electronic TDI - the 1Z.  nice little motor, but not very strong and not as revvy as the indirect injection motors listed above.

Then you're into the 90/110bhp electronic TDIs.  More sensors, more power, stronger in AFN guise (IIRC the code correctly)

Then on to the PD motors.  More complex, more tuneable, newer.

Bear in mind that you have two distinctly different strains of these motors from the 90/110 onwards - the transverse motors from the Golf platform and the longitudinal ones from the Passat.  These will have quite different manifolds and mounts, as well as very differently configured ancilliaries.  I would strongly recommend you get something from a Golf platform motor to avoid huge ball-ache.

On the 90/110 motors you also have the option (much beloved of the T25 brigade) of fitting a mechanical TDI pump from Bernd Jaeger in Germany.  Dig deep if you're afraid of wires and rejoice in 120bhp.

If I was to go for a 'quick' conversion, it'd be a 1Z out of a Golf3.  if I wanted big power it'd be the PD 130 motor, tuned, or running on this: http://www.bodylogicuk.com/90265/info.php?p=8

Although I wouldn't ever put a TDI motor into a Golf2 as a transplant.
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Re: PD Conversion ( Now TDI Conversions)
« Reply #44 on: 03 September 2011, 13:44 »
Yeah i know, been looking at what you can get out of a Mk3 Diesel.
This guy has gone to town and spent a few quid, but i reckon with a lot less you can get 140 ish bhp and loads of t's.
Engine is quite small as well and does not look too disimilar in size and shape to basic vag unit used for last  25 years.
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Re: PD Conversion ( Now TDI Conversions)
« Reply #45 on: 03 September 2011, 15:48 »
Yeah i know, been looking at what you can get out of a Mk3 Diesel.
This guy has gone to town and spent a few quid, but i reckon with a lot less you can get 140 ish bhp and loads of t's.
Engine is quite small as well and does not look too disimilar in size and shape to basic vag unit used for last  25 years.
My Boss has a Mk6 GTD (now with new back end after i crashed it) and it has opened my eyes to diesels+Golfs

A lot of the mods in that video are not big money and most custom as no off the shelf stuff to buy.. Its runninb about 200bhp in that video he says with them mods.. the biggest cost i can see is the turbo and the big injectors..

I think diesel tuning is fantastic and has been big in the US for years but has only just started happening over here (i mean more than just a tuning box/Remap) Turbo Dynamics make a lot of hybrid turbos from the VAG platform cars and probably many other makes and i had one to put on my old Leon.. Still a lot of stuff needs to be imported as no one stocks it here or are bloody expensive
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Re: PD Conversion ( Now TDI Conversions)
« Reply #46 on: 03 September 2011, 16:19 »
A giles fuel pump will also cost you a bit but will be done well or you can have a play at modifying it yourself :smiley:
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Re: PD Conversion ( Now TDI Conversions)
« Reply #47 on: 03 September 2011, 16:27 »
A giles fuel pump will also cost you a bit but will be done well or you can have a play at modifying it yourself :smiley:

What needs modding on it ?
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Re: PD Conversion ( Now TDI Conversions)
« Reply #48 on: 03 September 2011, 16:38 »
depends on what pump it is, how much you want from it.

http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=645.0
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Re: PD Conversion ( Now TDI Conversions)
« Reply #49 on: 03 September 2011, 17:38 »
Yeah i know, been looking at what you can get out of a Mk3 Diesel.
This guy has gone to town and spent a few quid, but i reckon with a lot less you can get 140 ish bhp and loads of t's.
Engine is quite small as well and does not look too disimilar in size and shape to basic vag unit used for last  25 years.
My Boss has a Mk6 GTD (now with new back end after i crashed it) and it has opened my eyes to diesels+Golfs

A lot of the mods in that video are not big money and most custom as no off the shelf stuff to buy.. Its runninb about 200bhp in that video he says with them mods.. the biggest cost i can see is the turbo and the big injectors..

I think diesel tuning is fantastic and has been big in the US for years but has only just started happening over here (i mean more than just a tuning box/Remap) Turbo Dynamics make a lot of hybrid turbos from the VAG platform cars and probably many other makes and i had one to put on my old Leon.. Still a lot of stuff needs to be imported as no one stocks it here or are bloody expensive







Im Skint anything is big money atm :grin: