Recent ABF 16v threads regarding power

[tshirt2k]

FD will be longer.  as in the VR

[F17BAD]

as for mine, its not getting mapped till friday, boost wise, spikes to around 16 - 17 psi, boosts to 15, holds around 11 /12 PSI

That's very modest boost.
Very sensible too for a FWD car with no LSD!
you should be able to retain at least 5psi more with your set-up.

Iv looked into the DV relocation and its a complete waste of time (not my words just going by what some peopole who i trust have told me )
my DV is a 007.
One thing id like to swap out is the actuator for a forge item.

I had a Forge DV on my S3. And it stuck due to the heat.
I'm not going to tell you that you need it.
What I will say is that once you've had it stick, you will want to stop it happening again.

Even with the strong optional spring, and mobil 1 grease...it still stuck with temperature related problems.
But, I was making a LOT more heat and making a LOT more boost.
 

i forgot to mention i also bought a brand new MAF sensor (genuine audi) as the old one was failing. And obviously changed the plugs for nrew NGK platinum (Audi dealer supplied)

I found Denco Irridium IK22s were the best for mine when pushing high boost.

the dyno run and mapping session on friday should give me more info.

Good luck. I'd expect you could tune that to givea good 270 BHP at the top, with the tor-270 to aid traction through the midrange.
Should be good.

TBH im not so bothered about the final BHP results, im more bothered about it been set up right so the power is more usable. then i want a LSD and to swap out the FD in the box

Everyone is bothered!! :-)

Good idea on the Diff too...the bolt kit being very important at the sort of torque you run.
Why do you want to swap the FD with all that torque?
Go longer...or shorter to give wheelspin problems?

Ill take another look into the DV relocation 

FD as Russ above says, on the motorway im at 4k revs at 100mph but its right on the powerband - feels like im in 3rd, iv had the car right upto 140 indicated on the clocks and it had more  but i just feel the VR final drive would suit it better. Plan to fit this wheh i fit a LSD

then next year maybe look at Bigger Turbos. also want a INA sump as iv hit mine a few times

Carbon said 260 -270 bhp is possible. iv also had a few people tell me its best to hold the Torque back to aid traction (as you mention above)

[Ess_Three]

Ill take another look into the DV relocation 

Being brutally honest...I doubt you'd need it.
I don't think you will be running your turbo outwith it's efficiency curve to turn it into a heat pump...so you should be OK.

Start really pushing it though, and it's worth considering.

FD as Russ above says,

Have you got one?
I think my mate has a spare 3.3 sitting about, as he recently fitted my old 3.67 (16v) FD to his NA VR6.
It's in a box all ready to install...if you need one, I can ask for you.

It's a known FD out of a 17,000 from new VR6 'box - my old high spec 2.9 (228 BHP/210 lb-ft, NA)

on the motorway im at 4k revs at 100mph but its right on the powerband - feels like im in 3rd, iv had the car right upto 140 indicated on the clocks and it had more  but i just feel the VR final drive would suit it better. Plan to fit this wheh i fit a LSD

Pfft...
I have been running running 4000 RPM @ 68 MPH. :-)

Mine will pull 7300 in 6th...at around 138 MPH genuine. Well, it will when all 4 cylinders decide to fire.

then next year maybe look at Bigger Turbos. also want a INA sump as iv hit mine a few times

Cool.

Carbon said 260 -270 bhp is possible. iv also had a few people tell me its best to hold the Torque back to aid traction (as you mention above)

In my experience with my K04 AMK, I'd say that with your downpipe and FMIC, 270 BHP is entirely realistic...if not nearer 275 BHP, and still without maxing out the injectors (I was running 90% duty cycle at just over 275 BHP on mine)...especially if you aren't making the turbo work too hard midrange.

Pegging the boost back at 3000-4000 RPM (say 270 lb-ft) should give the turbo an easy job...and allow 270+ BHP top end...and it should still feel reasonably linear - unlike my old s3 which felt like a TDI.

Once you have the longer FD, then another 10-20 lb-ft midrange shouldn't be a problem.

Much over 290 becomes an issue though, especially on an old Mk3 chassis...I used to run the S3 at around 320 lb-ft as you could just break traction on all 4 wheels in the wet, and it was solid in the dry...at 330+ lb-ft it was undrivable, you were always fighting the grip, the chassis and the silly Haldex...and it was slower from A to B than at 320 lb-ft.

You could always add Racelogic TCS and go for 300+ lb-ft? 

[F17BAD]

yeah its gonna be difficult to get the power down the closer to 300 Bhp i go, im im in a lighter car than a AMK S3 or LCR..

ill have to let you know about the final drive, need to same some pennies for a bit as iv spent a fortune recently on the car with new paint and the engine etc

i deffo want one tho and the one you mention sounds ideal..

im looking forward to friday, they are a good set up too, dyno dynamics rollers etc..

Im not sure which spring i should be running in the DV, i have a Green one, a yellow and a red.. ?

[Ess_Three]

yeah its gonna be difficult to get the power down the closer to 300 Bhp i go, im im in a lighter car than a AMK S3 or LCR..

300 BHP isn't the promlem, it's the torque.
At 6000 RPM, 300 BHP is easy enough to put down, even in a mk3.

ill have to let you know about the final drive, need to same some pennies for a bit as iv spent a fortune recently on the car with new paint and the engine etc
i deffo want one tho and the one you mention sounds ideal..

No probs. It's sitting in a box and will never be used I imagine...so if you don't want to strip a VR 'box, get in touch.

im looking forward to friday, they are a good set up too, dyno dynamics rollers etc..

Nice!!

Im not sure which spring i should be running in the DV, i have a Green one, a yellow and a red.. ?

Blimey...I sold my S3 back in 2004...but wasn't the Green spring the stiffest one?
That's what I was running.

[F17BAD]

ill let you know about the FD, ill more than likely want that from you 

think im running the Green spriong at the moment - whatever was in it standard. i have the others in the box in my garage. will did these out tomo.

suprised the car copes really well getting the power down at the moment (unless its wet )

will keep you updated with happenings on friday   - i really like the AMK, great engines

[Ess_Three]

will keep you updated with happenings on friday  

Please do!

- i really like the AMK, great engines

Sadly, I hated the damn thing.
It was awful..a soul-less droning thing that sounded like a Dyson and delivered grunt like a TDI without giving the fuel benefits of a TDI.

Great power and torque...but I couldn't wait to move on to a big NA engine - 3.6 flat 6....with noise and throttle response to die for!

[Wayne]

Im not sure which spring i should be running in the DV, i have a Green one, a yellow and a red.. ?

Green is std, yellow stage 1, red is stage 2.

[danny_p]

i much prefer the NA engines  for play, turbos can be good got one as a daily atm but it isn't exactly quick.

as allready said 20vt's  somewhere around about the 270 - 280 mark they go all wrong usally needing fuel to be deliverd in buckets to keep cyl temps down if sticking with the ko4. 

no one ever seems to bother doing port work on the 20vt but it cam make them behave much better,   more flow with less boost espectaly when your the revs but if looking for numbers near the 280 mark i think your better off with a diffrent turbo then it'll do it with less bother. 

on that abf thread on club gti   how the hell can a sub 200 bhp ITBed abf be called  "Full race spec"   FFS     

[Ess_Three]

as allready said 20vt's  somewhere around about the 270 - 280 mark they go all wrong usally needing fuel to be deliverd in buckets to keep cyl temps down if sticking with the ko4. 

So true. EGTs become an issue at around 280 BHP on a K04 too, as well as injector duty cycle.

no one ever seems to bother doing port work on the 20vt but it cam make them behave much better,   more flow with less boost espectaly when your the revs but if looking for numbers near the 280 mark i think your better off with a diffrent turbo then it'll do it with less bother. 

Porting is only any use if you are going to first throw that tragic exhaust manifold into the bin.
Have you seen the ports on it?
It's laughable.

A K04 will make considerably more on a better manifold.
More again with headwork and/or a K04 hybrid.

Some of the BT conversions make things much easier in traction terms...a 330 BHP/270 lb-ft GT28 or similar will be easier to drive than a 270 BHP/330 lb-ft highly strung K04.
 

on that abf thread on club gti   how the hell can a sub 200 bhp ITBed abf be called  "Full race spec"   FFS   

They are at least 80 BHP off 'full race spec'.